Global warming? I am more worried about global cooling.

[kmcolo]

Originally Posted by Titas Aduksus

So, don't wet your pants or jump off a bridge, I say I think the trend will reverse within three to seven years, I cant prove it but then GW freaks can't prove what the weather will be like next year!

I don't know if I'm overstepping the bounds of the group posting agreement here (sorry if I am) but that's a fairly silly thing to say in a science oriented discussion, no? That you've got this idea that can't be proven. Well a lot of people do (they call them theoretical physicists or cosmologists). And your playing rhetorical games with the weather idea implies to me that you are not approaching this subject with inquiry in mind. Weather and climate are two very different things.

[Titas Aduksus]

Don't care much for amateurs eh? Pehaps we should ignore the works of Joseph Priestley, David H Levy and a host of others. We might also ignore the works of a certain maths & physics teacher who, failing to find a post became a patent clerk, who then relied on the work of a poorly educated blacksmith's son (Michael H farady) to produce General and Special Relativity.

And since most 'on the ground' data is not actually collected by leading Phd climatologists we can ignore the IPCC report anyway. Weather data today throughout the world is still mostly collected by volunteers both on land and at sea, this is essential to calibrate the new technologies such as observations from space.

I see no objection whatsoever to me you or anyone else suggesting that they think tomorrow it'll turn cooler, the mistake would be to only accept data that would support this, I hypothesise that the global climate will begin to cool in a few years, I will test that hypothesis, it is not a theory nor a prediction.

[Ganoderma]

are you saying that it has been rising? are you leaning towards sunspots for this? and you are thinking it will likely get cooler soon? how much cooler? air/water currents stopped and freezing begins? or just get snow back in south western canada, cooler?

[Titas Aduksus]

Originally Posted by Ganoderma

are you saying that it has been rising? are you leaning towards sunspots for this? and you are thinking it will likely get cooler soon? how much cooler? air/water currents stopped and freezing begins? or just get snow back in south western canada, cooler?

That the average global temperature has been rising is agreed by most people.

Sunspots no, but there does seem to be a close correlation between sunspot cycle time and average global temperature over the last couple of hundred years. I have been able to obtain raw data with which I can produce my own graph to assess whether this is true.

In terms of cooling I believe I see a reduction in the rate of increase - which could indicate a level period, or a reduction or it could rise again, my hunch is a fall.

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by Titas Aduksus

That the average global temperature has been rising is agreed by most people.

I thought that this was the whole issue! Who are these people that are not in the "most" category. I would be very interested to see the data that supports their claims.

[Titas Aduksus]

Freeztar,

I try to choose my words carefully, to say "All people agree global tempreature is rising" - would be a little silly, one simply cannot ask everybody. To clarify though I know of no orginisations or websites that deny global warming. (I'll let you know if I find any though).

[freeztar]

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[LJP07]

It must be argued that the Earth will move to a more elliptical orbit that it does every few thousand years. This distance from the Sun will create another Ice Age. Is it really a problem?

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by LJP07

It must be argued that the Earth will move to a more elliptical orbit that it does every few thousand years. This distance from the Sun will create another Ice Age. Is it really a problem?

When the guilt merchants try to convince the world that the "global cooling" is happening because of pollution, and that if we were just good to the earth she would keep us warm, then yes that becomes a problem for me.

Bill

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by LJP07

It must be argued that the Earth will move to a more elliptical orbit that it does every few thousand years. This distance from the Sun will create another Ice Age. Is it really a problem?

If it must be argued, then supply something to backup that argument. (I'm not saying I don't agree necessarily, but ya know)

When the guilt merchants try to convince the world that the "global cooling" is happening because of pollution, and that if we were just good to the earth she would keep us warm, then yes that becomes a problem for me.

Let's not worry about the "guilt merchants", eh? Let's focus on the facts.