Global warming? I am more worried about global cooling.

[Essay]

Originally Posted by Flying Binghi

Heres some extracts of an article via OHIO uny. The sceptic (thats me, a realist) blogs have been making some mileage on this -

...new study confirms that during periods when Earth received less solar radiation, the Atlantic Ocean cooled, icebergs increased and precipitation fell, creating a series of century-long droughts...

...the connection between weak solar activity and ice rafting...

...manmade global warming could offset the cycle.

Full article via -
New climate record shows century-long droughts in eastern North America :: Office of Research Communications, Ohio University

I got so excited after reading Springer's characterization of breathing soil (and the idea of measuring CO2 turnover), that I never finished the article.

So Binghi, do you think that when it says "offset the cycle," this means global warming is a good thing because it'll prevent those "century-long droughts?"

Au contrare, mon friar! Please to read between the lines of the final quote from the article:

“Global warming will leave things like this in the dust. The natural oscillations here are nothing like what we would expect to see with global warming,” he (Springer) said. [my emphasis]
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Here's a few other papers on weird cycles in North America:
Livezey, R. E., M. Masutani, A. Leetmaa, H. Rui, M. Ji, and A. Kumar (1997), Teleconnective response of the Pacific-North American region atmosphere to large central equatorial Pacific SST anomalies, J. Clim., 10, 1787–1820

Viau, A. E., K. Gajewski, P. Fines, D. E. Atkinson, and M. C. Sawada (2002), Widespread evidence of 1500 yr climate variability in North America during the past 14,000 yr, Geology, 30, 455–458, doi:10.1130/0091-7613(2002)

Willard, D. A., C. E. Bernhardt, D. A. Korejwo, and S. R. Meyers (2005), Impact of millennial-scale Holocene climate variability on eastern North American terrestrial ecosystems: Pollen-based climatic reconstruction, Global Planet. Change, 47, 17–35, doi:10.1016/j.gloplacha.2004.11.017

But yes, it's great to get better resolution in more supporting evidence for the Bond paper from 2001.

Bond, G., B. Kromer, J. Beer, R. Muscheler, M. N. Evans, W. Showers, S. Hoffman, R. Lotti-Bond, I. Hajdas, and G. Bonani (2001), Persistent solar influence on North Atlantic climate during the Holocene, Science, vol. 294, p.2130–2136, doi:10.1126/science.1065680

Thanks again for that serendipitous discovery (CO2 turnover)!
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[Flying Binghi]

Is there a particular section or point in the article you feel would be benificial to read FB?
Come on, just a little hint, please???

Oh, nothing in particular Zythryn... just noting the 'science' is far from done. Our polititions running around making economy destroying decisions on incomplete research need take note.



Edit - I see I put the article in the wrong thread - should have been in the "my belief in AGW is getting shaky" thread. Perhaps the mods can transfer it ?

[Essay]

I thought you had the right thread, Binghi, since it was about solar weakening.

But what about that final quote:

“Global warming will leave things like this in the dust. The natural oscillations here are nothing like what we would expect to see with global warming,” he (Springer) said.

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[Flying Binghi]

I thought you had the right thread, Binghi, since it was about solar weakening.

Was'nt what I intended. If you like - leave it here. Off to work, will take this up later

[Flying Binghi]

Looks like due to my absent mindedness I will have to 'work' my miss-placed post here.

Via - New climate record shows century-long droughts in eastern North America :: Office of Research Communications, Ohio University we get -

...(The caves) haven’t been disturbed by anything...

They may-be overlooking something here ?

Via deepscience, I discover, life underground - DEEP SCIENCE

...discovered microbial life at depths of four to five kilometers (underground) and at temperatures of 60°C.

My question would be - Are the caves undisturbed ?


Note - Perhaps the moderators could move my 'starter' post, and the other 'followers', to the "My belief in AGW...." thread.

[charles brough]

It seems to me that unless you are an expert on the subject, the rational thing to do is accept the scientific consensus. On the environment, the consensus is not only global warming but that we are causing it.

However, as an expert in another field, I should point out that global cooling is also an ominous threat because of the presence of from 15,000 to 20,000 nuclear bombs and missiles divided up in the world.

Just the atomic explosions from the nuclear missiles on one Trident Submarine could create a series of fire storms that could blanked the world for a year or two and turn it cold.

What makes it such a threat is that the people who believe in the major world religions have come to exert more influence on their societies during the last forty years. Fortunately, here in the US, the grip the old faith had on public opinion has faded for the time been, but it comes back every time we feel threatened and each time it exerts more control than the last time. The point is that these old faiths divide us and make the growing competition for the Earth's dwindling resources all the more intense. It can get very ugly in the decades to come. . .