Environment / Population / Global Warming

[jackson33]

in disagreement with most all the listed facts, there is nothing that cannot be found on one google search in GW. certainly i would hope any person seriously interested in the subject, should have a basic knowledge of the pros or cons to an opinion, especially if formed...

a couple disagreements;

the US contributes about 25% of the *man made* CO2 and near to this in other harmful elements into the atmosphere. this happens to be about .0125 and 1/5th of trace amounts of the .045 total of CO2 and trace amounts of methane and other elements, that are in the atmosphere. the US in turn produces larger amounts of food, feed, meat (all kinds) and products than all of Africa and per capita any other nation. parts, natural resources and many things are shipped for production or use of many things that give comfort to people around the world.

China today (not last century) has the lowest birth rates of any nation at about 1.5 per couple, the US about 2 and Africa about 2.7 to give some comparisons. people move to urban areas in the US, or any country for jobs.
jobs create wealth and wealth is perceived something good and worth the efforts. no body is being squeezed by deserts, oceans or for that matter any other reason. they choose and this to is a good thing.

relates to above; where i live in SE New Mexico, there are 20 towns abandoned or what we call ghost towns. it doesn't take a scientist to figure this out, the people moved. drifting sand is a problem is Yuma Arizona and most of the mid east. sand storms are common and were around before, during and will be after were gone.

crop lands in the US are greatly reduce over the past 50 years, in many places because there is simply no reason to farm 100 ac. of something, competing with a commercial operation in Wyoming or California can dedicate 10000 ac. to the same item and harvest at 1/2 or less the cost per ac...and i wont go into just how much more per ac. is produced today than those 50 year ago figures.

i would love to get into peak oil, but will save for another day...by the way, i oppose the notion that man is causing GW, but have seen every quote many times.

[Garry Denke]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Huh?

Boerseun,

Percent atheists, agnostics, non-believers in God by Country

Percent atheists, agnostics, non-believers in God by Country - Swivel
Edit Graph - Percent atheists, agnostics, non-believers in God by Country - Swivel

United States is dead last. This is going to be a tough sell.

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by Garry Denke

Percent atheists, agnostics, non-believers in God by Country

Percent atheists, agnostics, non-believers in God by Country - Swivel
Edit Graph - Percent atheists, agnostics, non-believers in God by Country - Swivel

United States is dead last. This is going to be a tough sell.

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

Huh?

[pgrmdave]

Okay, so the graph (culled from this data: Adherents.com: Atheist Statistics | Agnostic *notice the wide spread of possible percentages*) shows us that the US has a lot of people who believe in God. But what does that have to do with any of the facts for which I asked for data?

[Boerseun]

He prolly wants to sell his Last Judgement idea. This has been sold in some form or another for thousands of years now, with every generation 'living in the Last Days'. It hasn't changed, and doesn't seem like it'll change soon, either. But for at least 2,000 years, every doomcaller have been proven demonstrably wrong. After all, we're still here, aren't we?

[Garry Denke]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

I agree, the first section had a lot of scary information. The second part just went totally off track.

Hello Zythryn, sorry, missed you.

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Interestingly, due to tundra becoming usable land, I wonder if Russia is gaining useful acreage while China is loosing it to deserts?

Global Warming is Good for Russia (TreeHugger)

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Potential source of conflict in 40-50 years?

China invading Russia for survival?

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Mankind was able to increase its population density through technology (agriculture/irrigation, cities, etc). Mankind can continue to do so IF it is able to stop damaging the environment in such a way to reduce the land mankind can use. Draconian moves of population control are not needed, but may be the 'easy' way out.

STERILISATION IN INDIA. - HighBeam Encyclopedia

Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents; it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.

(Ancient Indian Proverb)

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

[pgrmdave]

Garry Denke, I asked for information backing up some of those claims in your first post. Provide them, as they are currently in violation of the first rule on our rules page: In general, back up your claims by using links or references.

I expect that you will soon post links to data confirming these facts.

[Garry Denke]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

I don't think I could have said it better myself.
Garry, you are not making much sense here

You're right, Zythryn, should be Paleointensity / Environment / Population / Global Warming

news@nature

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

[pgrmdave]

Gary, unfortunately that article is only availible for premium subscribers. Could you describe what's in the article for us?

[Garry Denke]

Originally Posted by freeztar

The price of unchecked human expansion....immense
The price of hearing an atheist put words in God's mouth....priceless!

God's an atheist, God has no god.
Be like God, become an atheist

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist