My belief in Global Warming is getting shaky

[goku]

typical of evolutionists to not know what they're saying.
is the earth evolveing?
how can something evolve and not change?

reminds me of something terrorist elect obama said while campaining,
we live in the greatest nation in the world, join me now as we change it.

[goku]

if some gas, is insulating the planet then there would be fewer storms.

storms are the result of energy being released, heat energy.

insulation stops or slows the transfur of heat energy.

[REASON]

Not taking your bait anymore, goku.

Your ignorant goading has become boring.

[Michaelangelica]

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[engineerdude]

Originally Posted by Eclipse Now

Engineerdude, don't forget yesterday's ABC news announcements and interviews with our head climatologists.

Is this "10th warmest year" with or without the faked data from fall 2008 that the AGW people tried to slide by us?

And also in the ABC article I saw they said 2008 was the coolest year since 2001. This supports what I have seen, with global temperatures having peaked around 2000 and now we are on a pretty good down slope.

Shouldn't things be, like, getting hotter, if AGW is real? We keep belching out more and more CO2 each year - there is certainly more atmospheric CO2 now than in 2001. Why is it getting cooler instead of warmer?

By the way here's the link to the article I found concerning this ABC news thingie:
WMO names 2008 in top 10 warmest years - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by engineerdude

Shouldn't things be, like, getting hotter, if AGW is real?

No not necessarily. You are not seeing the woods for the trees
It is CLIMATE CHANGE that is the worry.
More extremes everywhere. That is born out by the above report.

That change can be different in the N and S hemispheres; so watch where your info comes from.

For balance; one for the denialists
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2009010...l-refuges.html
http://blueridgeforum.com/?p=259

[Michaelangelica]

An ABC radio debate on Global Warming.
i missed alot of it but it what I heard was interesting
Climate alert: top priority or obscurantist twaddle? - The National Interest - 2 January 2009
i will listen to it again later

Climate alert: top priority or obscurantist twaddle?

Rising waters, permanent drought, melting ice-caps: are these phenomena fixable, irreversible or merely non-issues? Climate sceptics say they are the victims of persecution by the grand inquisitors of eco-doom, while climate campaigners argue global warming is here now and the time for faffing around is over. That's the premise of this Deakin lecture, recorded at Melbourne's Fed Square earlier this year: that climate change is the only issue, the only framework, the one metanarrative that counts. Or should reducing poverty and improving living conditions remain the world's top priority? This discussion first went to air in June, 2008.

Guests
Chris Turner
Author of 'The Geography of Hope: A tour of the World We Need'
Don Henry
Executive Director Australian Conservation Foundation
Larissa Brown
Founder and Executive Director Centre for Sustainability Leadership
Dr Norman Lewis
Chief Strategy Officer Wireless Grids Corporation (USA)
Austin Williams
Architect, writer and critic Founder of ManTowNHuman
Dr Leela Gandhi
Professor of English University of Chicago
Further Information
ManTowNHuman: Manifesto: Towards a New Humanism in Architecture
Australian Conservation Foundation
Centre for Sustainability Leadership
Presenter

Climate alert: top priority or obscurantist twaddle? - The National Interest - 2 January 2009

[Michaelangelica]

Another pro and agin interview.
The Guy is most sane
He objects to the word "denialist" as he says it is not only unscientific but also evokes memories of holocaust denialists.
An interesting talk on the dynamics the whole debate is taking and the perils of complex modelling.
Food for thought.

Science and public policy

Aynsley Kellow argues that the reliance of environmental science on mathematical models and the infusion of values into its conduct have produced a preference for virtual over observational data.
Guests
Aynsley Kellow
Head of the School of Government University of Tasmania
Publications
Title: Science and Public Policy : the Virtuous Corruption of Virtual Environmental Science
Author: Aynsley Kellow
Publisher: Edward Elgar Publishing, Incorporated
Presenter
Michael Duffy

Science and public policy - Counterpoint - 5 January 2009
An interesting talk following that on how Chinese food is the food of the USA; probably here too
Counterpoint

[engineerdude]

Originally Posted by engineerdude

Is this "10th warmest year" with or without the faked data from fall 2008 that the AGW people tried to slide by us?

And also in the ABC article I saw they said 2008 was the coolest year since 2001. This supports what I have seen, with global temperatures having peaked around 2000 and now we are on a pretty good down slope.

Shouldn't things be, like, getting hotter, if AGW is real? We keep belching out more and more CO2 each year - there is certainly more atmospheric CO2 now than in 2001. Why is it getting cooler instead of warmer?

By the way here's the link to the article I found concerning this ABC news thingie:
WMO names 2008 in top 10 warmest years - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

For those who care here's a link to an article discussing the faked data I referenced above.

IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming

[engineerdude]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

No not necessarily. You are not seeing the woods for the trees
It is CLIMATE CHANGE that is the worry.
More extremes everywhere. That is born out by the above report.

That change can be different in the N and S hemispheres; so watch where your info comes from.

For balance; one for the denialists
200901013165 | UN: Recognize Victims of Climate Change, Environmental Refuges | / | Energy & Environment
BlueRidgeForum Exposing the Dangerous Deceptions of Climate Extremists

CLIMATE CHANGE is what AGW started calling this issue when the world stopped getting warmer nearly 7 years ago. AGW stands for Anthropogenic Global Warming - guess you can't call it global warming if the planet doesn't actually get warmer.

Here's a link showing global temperatures, including recent years:
More Global Cooling Evidence Embarrasses the IPCC Orthodoxy | ideonexus.com

There is no evidence I can find that people are causing the weather to have more "More extremes everywhere". Hurricanes, droughts, and extreme weather are natural occurrences, and there have not in fact been higher incidences of these phenomena.

Here is a link to just one article that discusses the fact that we have not seen any increase in extreme weather in recent times.

The Volokh Conspiracy - Hurricanes and Climate Reconsidered:

So, if the earth is not getting warmer, and there is not in fact any extreme weather associated with our activities, what the heck are you people fussing about?