My belief in Global Warming is getting shaky

[Eclipse Now]

Yes, on topic would be nice, as in FB answering Essay's question, and maybe the 4 questions I posted earlier.

FB, if you are happy to accept that climatologists recognise water as one of the greenhouse gases, why won't you also acknowledge Co2? You're being inconsistent. One cannot just sit back and accept one part of a discipline without explaining why you reject other fundamental parts of the very same discipline (spectroscopy etc). You want to blame it all on the water? Good luck with that. Climate is far more complex than that.

[Flying Binghi]

FB, if you are happy to accept that climatologists recognise water as one of the greenhouse gases, why won't you also acknowledge Co2? You're being inconsistent

Eclipse Now, please show me where i have failed to acknowledge, or have made, that claim ...even Reid Bryson agrees CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

A: And how much is absorbed by carbon dioxide? Eight hundredths of one percent. One one-thousandth as important as water vapor. You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide.

[Cedars]

Whoops!

NASA's global warming satellite falls to Earth

NASA's global warming satellite falls to Earth - Space.com- msnbc.com

Wonder if it hit any penguins or whales?

[Essay]

Originally Posted by Flying Binghi

A: And how much is absorbed by carbon dioxide? Eight hundredths of one percent. One one-thousandth as important as water vapor. You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide.

The reason this was such a meaningless metaphor(?) should be addressed:

Binghi,
Regardless of it's size (percentage), CO2 is a link in the cascade of heat making its way up to the boundary with space.

Try and think of it as a "valve" in that chain of energy flow.
It's not that the CO2 "gets hot," but that the flow of energy (heat) gets "backed up" a slight amount into previous parts of (earlier events in) the cascade.
Over time, especially if it doesn't fluctuate, that push toward "backing up" starts pushing the averages--as well as the limits of stable atmospheric modes.

~

p.s.

hehehe Cedars.... Yes, I often worry about the ice breakers too.
All that heat and disruption--like a chain of little satellites hitting....

[Eclipse Now]

And FB knows the IPCC report's % guide to the various greenhouse gas contributions... from memory I'm pretty sure it's been posted here.

[Flying Binghi]

Lets not dismiss that 'inconvieniant' pot-stirrer, Reid Bryson just yet.

Some more of Bryson's back ground and comments -

Bryson is a believer in climate change, in that he’s as quick as anyone to acknowledge that Earth’s climate has done nothing but change throughout the planet’s existence. In fact, he took that knowledge a big step further, earlier than probably anyone else. Almost 40 years ago, Bryson stood before the American Association for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper saying human activity could alter climate.

“I was laughed off the platform for saying that,” he told Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News.

In the 1960s, Bryson’s idea was widely considered a radical proposition. But nowadays things have turned almost in the opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some authority figure claiming that whatever the climate happens to be doing, human activity must be part of the explanation. And once again, Bryson is challenging the conventional wisdom.

“Climate’s always been changing and it’s been changing rapidly at various times, and so something was making it change in the past,” he told us in an interview this past winter. “Before there were enough people to make any difference at all, two million years ago, nobody was changing the climate, yet the climate was changing, okay?”

“All this argument is the temperature going up or not, it’s absurd,” Bryson continues. “Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting more carbon dioxide into the air.”

...traceable to Bryson’s high-school interest in archaeology, followed by college degrees in geology, then meteorology, and studies in oceanography, limnology, and other disciplines. “He’s looked at the interconnections of all these things and their impact on human societies,”

...“I think that’s one of the reasons for his longevity,” Moran says. “He’s so interested and inquisitive. I regard him as a pot-stirrer. Sometimes people don’t react well when you challenge their long-held ideas, but that’s how real science takes place.”—Dave Hoopman.

WECN May 2007

[Eclipse Now]

Sorry mate, didn't read your post when I saw that it was just more defence of your flame bait. I'm not intending on feeding the troll, and actually bothering to debunk your new hero would ignore the fact that you haven't answered the very on topic and pertinent point at this stage: how do we measure what CO2 does V how do we measure what water does? You've asserted some weird things, but have not explained why, especially when one really considers Essay's questions.

It's your turn to answer our questions... my 4 and Essay's last question.

If not, then Quack Quack.

(Please don't respond by talking about your new heros again, it will just make you sound like a fanboy and make me ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.)

[Flying Binghi]

Sorry mate, didn't read your post when I saw that it was just more defence of your flame bait. I'm not intending on feeding the troll, and actually bothering to debunk your new hero would ignore the fact that you haven't answered the very on topic and pertinent point at this stage: how do we measure what CO2 does V how do we measure what water does? You've asserted some weird things, but have not explained why, especially when one really considers Essay's questions.

It's your turn to answer our questions... my 4 and Essay's last question.

If not, then Quack Quack.

(Please don't respond by talking about your new heros again, it will just make you sound like a fanboy and make me ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.)

Eclipse Now, your sounding like this authoritarian individual -

Climate Change Minister Penny Wong called on Mr Turnbull to deal with Dr Jensen.

"Mr Turnbull knows it's the right thing to do to act on climate change," she told reporters in Canberra. Climate change denier MP's Hitler comparison - National News - National - General - The Canberra Times

"new hero" ? Hmmm, ...several hundred posts ago i had a little debate in this very thread about the admissibility of the late Reid Bryson...

Reid Bryson looks to be a real 'inconvienience' to some, eh

[Eclipse Now]

Your signature is an inflammatory mockery of everything the real scientists in the real climate community living with the science of this century hold dear.

97% of the real experts disagree with your quackery. Are they all "on the take"? Do they all "need an audit"? Or is the science just that clear?
Wunder Blog : Weather Underground

[Flying Binghi]

And in keeping with the thread title...

Dont foreget to book your seat

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The Heartland Institute - Welcome to the 2009 International Conference on Climate Change