What if Blacklight Power works in 2009 ?

[dobermanmacleod]

Originally Posted by Jay-qu

One of three things:
1. I see it in a peer-reviewed journal explaining the mechanism and where the energy comes from
2. I experience it first hand
or 3. It is implemented for wide scale power production

Only then can I be sure there is no man behind the curtain. Call me a skeptic, because I am, but please don't call me close minded.

Jay,

First, I apologize if I hurt your feelings by calling you closed minded. On the other hand, the criteria you use to gauge is (in my opinion) limiting. For instance, how about a working scale model, or the release of the formula for independent verification?

It is beyond me why people won't believe a bunch of nerds from Rowan, I mean the odds of them forming some kind of conspiracy is pretty far out? Or how about the caliber of BlackLight's board of directors, like they are going to support fraud?

I mean there is no doubt if the BlackLight Process is legitimate it will eventually meet all three of the criteria you list, but it seems like everyone who I cross paths with concerning this are from Missouri (i.e. the "show me" state).

With respect,

Brad

[Jay-qu]

Look Im happy to be wrong, but a scale model just doesnt cut it for me (unless I see it myself). Large scale means that the power cant be coming from some hidden chemical process (intended or not).

[dobermanmacleod]

It seems to me that a 50 kilowatt scale model would be sufficiently large enough, but then it seems you are trying to exercise an abundance of caution. My analysis is that many people make the judgmental mistake of crossing the line from skepticism to cynicism. It seems pretty clear to me that it is either fraudulent or legitimate - I mean don't you think BlackLight would have ruled out a chemical reaction (or nuclear for that matter)?

[maikeru]

Originally Posted by UncleAl

Blacklight Power?

STURGEON WAS AN OPTIMIST

Thank god for Uncle Al.

This is crap. It is nothing but crap. It is only crap. It is purely crap. It is clarified, concentrated, distilled, condensed, polished, packaged, and briskly shoved up your fundament while homing in on your wallet crap.

[dobermanmacleod]

Listen to my Uncle Al: "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."

"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

By the way, did you ever hear of the Roman General who wildly succeeded in a military campaign, then repeated the same strategy a couple of years later and lost big-time? He was heard muttering that today wasn't like yesterday the night before he committed suicide. The moral to the story is that cynics who bet tomorrow will be like today are sometimes catastrophically wrong (I often wonder what they say to themselves then).

[Jay-qu]

Go and spend 4+ years studying physics and/or chemistry as Al (and I) have and you too will remain more sceptical.

Your Arthur Schopenhauer is great in hind sight, most truths do go through that cycle. Bullshit goes through a similar cycle:
First, it rejected as obvious BS;
Second, it is ridiculed;
Third, someone finally sits down and proves it wrong, just to shut them up.

[dobermanmacleod]

I just don't understand why, when confronted with a novel phenomena, a fool is better able to accept it than an educated person. Just to explain, I consider myself to be a philosopher, and am interested in non-consensus reality and how people deal with it psychologically. Obviously, the BlackLight Process is too-good-to-be-true, so some will dismiss it out of hand. Frankly, they aren't any better than a cat, because a cat will never set on a hot stove again, but then it will never sit on a cold one either.

Here we have overwhelming evidence in the form of human behavior: a board of directors that simply would never associate themselves with charlatans, working scale models, and independent verification in the form of both a large group from Rowan University and the public release of the entire experiment to be repeated elsewhere.

Undeniably there is a lot of BS out there, but don't you sit down and take a close look where the smoke is coming from to determine if there is a fire? I can't tell you the number of interesting and valuable things I've learned by taking a closer look at things that seem on the surface to be fishy (although I reject an awful lot more, it is worth it for the few gems I find).

Is it really that important to you that you understand why something works? How much technology do you come into contact with every day that you don't understand the nitty-gritty of, but just accept as a convenience that works? Are you afraid of being fooled or taken advantage of? Look, I'm not trying to browbeat you, only understand your reluctance to give this non-consensus reality phenomena more stock than you seem to be giving it.

[Jay-qu]

The problem is that this isnt your everyday novel phenomena. A normal physicist, upon finding something new and strange would go and get another physicist to check whats up. They would both thoroughly test the phenomena and even if they dont find an explanation would publish their results in a peer reviewed journal. The guy who started all this is a known crackpot, his junk theories have failed peer review, a brief look at the black light wiki site has plenty of references.

Blacklight now, as far as I understand, dont care about the novel science, only generating capital. They wont divulge enough information about their process for anyone else to attempt to reproduce their results - this is a fundamental step in the scientific method.

If they are not bull shitting, they have nothing to fear - they hold the patents and their research should be years ahead of anyone else that could compete with them. So as far as I see it sharing a bit more information would only help them by giving them credibility, yet they dont..

[JMJones0424]

Originally Posted by dobermanmacleod

Here we have overwhelming evidence in the form of human behavior: a board of directors that simply would never associate themselves with charlatans, working scale models, and independent verification in the form of both a large group from Rowan University and the public release of the entire experiment to be repeated elsewhere.

No one knowingly and willingly allows themselves to be duped. And yet history is replete with very successful charlatans. EVERYTHING about their claims screams incredulity. It is neither my interest nor my duty to discover whether the parties involved are either mistaken, misleading, or (EXTREMELY unlikely) revolutionary. It is up to them to provide evidence of their claims, and since it appears they are not willing to release more specific details (which doesn't prove them wrong, just makes them appear suspicious), I will resort to waiting for their financial experiment to prove either a huge success or the next laughable hoax. Time will tell, and I'm not holding my breath.

[Moontanman]

This guy has been claiming blacklight power is ready to be used on a large scale if only he can get the funding for more than a decade. All he is generating is money from investors for his own use, no power!