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05-01-2008, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteNow  That's all well and good, but does nothing... zilch... nada... to support the concept of first cause. | I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. I have been inquisitive from the start. That is all. Believe what you will. |
05-02-2008, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Southtown Funny, that's exactly what I said to myself in high school when introduced to the big bang. | Yeah, but in highschool, you were a relatively uneducated child. The logic circuits in your brain weren't finished yet, and you had not been exposed to "real" logic and rational analysis.
Cosmology is an adult conversation.
PS: on an unrelated note, I have started visiting ID sites in the last few weeks. Got curious from all the ID ads that appear ===> on right edge of Hypography. I found myself a little afraid of what they might say. But upon reading them, I was stunned at the juvenile state of their arguments and reasoning. It was "pre-highschool" logic, the kind that 12-year olds use to prove "my dad is better than your dad". Sophomoric in the extreme. And yet the author offers them as "hard proof", "undeniable fact".
It's a real shame.
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05-02-2008, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Pyrotex PS: on an unrelated note, I have started visiting ID sites in the last few weeks. Got curious from all the ID ads that appear ===> on right edge of Hypography. I found myself a little afraid of what they might say. But upon reading them, I was stunned at the juvenile state of their arguments and reasoning. It was "pre-highschool" logic, the kind that 12-year olds use to prove "my dad is better than your dad". Sophomoric in the extreme. And yet the author offers them as "hard proof", "undeniable fact". | Like this:
Apparently, science leads you to killing people. 
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05-02-2008, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteNow ...Apparently, science leads you to killing people. | InfiNow! What a find! I'd give you rep but the system won't let me. You know how that goes. Yes, apparently "Uncle Ben" is a few sandwiches short of a full picnic.
"Science Kills"?? Gosh, I'm a scientist.  I'd better get started killing people right away and catch up!!! I could start with "Uncle Ben"! 
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05-02-2008, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pyrotex InfiNow! What a find! I'd give you rep but the system won't let me. You know how that goes. Yes, apparently "Uncle Ben" is a few sandwiches short of a full picnic.
"Science Kills"?? Gosh, I'm a scientist. I'd better get started killing people right away and catch up!!! I could start with "Uncle Ben"! | You are a card Pyro, religion has always tried to demonize anyone who refuses to see the "light" Anyone who thinks freely without religion to show them what to think are always suspect in the religious view and liable to do anything from molest children to rape and murder. It's a classic us and them argument. Unfortunately if you look at the real records of such crimes the religious commit them far more frequently than non religious people even when you correct for numbers of each group (I love statistics)
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05-02-2008, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Moontanman Unfortunately if you look at the real records of such crimes the religious commit them far more frequently than non religious people even when you correct for numbers of each group (I love statistics) | Do you have a link for that? I don't doubt it, but it would be nice to see the actual numbers.
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05-02-2008, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by freeztar Do you have a link for that? I don't doubt it, but it would be nice to see the actual numbers. | I am glad you called me on this, I was being more than a little cynical when I said I loved Statistics, especially the statistics on this particular subject. Most, by a huge margin, of the studies on this are done by the religious right. Their statistics always show what they want to show. Mostly because they start out with the basic premise that crimes are not committed by the religious right! A few independent studies have been done. Even they are often flawed by the premise that if you commit a crime you cannot be religious no matter what you claimed before you committed the crime. These are the best I could do on short notice, I have seen reports that say crimes like child moletation are more likey amoung the religious but since they were on TV news shows many years ago I cannot find any reference to them. The Splintered Mind: Religion and Crime Prison Incarceration and Religious Preference Higher rates of STDs, crime, teen pregnancy, and abortion among religious democracies - SOHH.com Global Forum Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' - Times Online
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05-02-2008, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyrotex Yes, apparently "Uncle Ben" is a few sandwiches short of a full picnic.
"Science Kills"?? Gosh, I'm a scientist. I'd better get started killing people right away and catch up!!! I could start with "Uncle Ben"! |
Glad you enjoyed it. Here's another nugget of propaganda from the moron camp:
Yes... I called them morons. If you have a problem with that, the problem is yours, not mine.
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