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Where did first North Americans come from?
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
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It's not clear from the article that they found clovis points in the islands? Anyway, there is a program running on cable that talks about movement into N. America from the South. I can't seem to find the thing online just now; sorry.
Anyway, they talked about Clovis points and noted that the only similar points elsewhere (or maybe the oldest examples?) came from France. Intersting stuff all-around. 
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07-19-2008
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
This heathen (as in, not a scientist) has got to ask - Does it really matter where they came from ?
My understanding is that all humans can trace their ancestry back to one 'mother' ...Does it matter if humans arrived in North America from the west, or the East ???
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07-19-2008
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
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This heathen has got to ask - Does it really matter where they came from ?
My understanding is that all humans can trace their ancestry back to one 'mother' ...Does it matter if humans arrived in North America from the west, or the East ???
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Matter? It's a matter of curiosity. Something akin to what led you to know about tracing human ancestry in making your observation.  I do think the current genetic tracing data reveals 3 mothers though, not one. One of us should Google it & check. 
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07-21-2008
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
Surprising proposal, American Indians look more Asian than European.
There are probably some genetic studies somewhere
Of course there are two ends to the Americas
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'First Americans were Australian'
. . .]However, the new evidence shows that these people did not arrive in an empty wilderness. Stone tools and charcoal from the site in Brazil show evidence of human habitation as long ago as 50,000 years.[/quote]
BBC News | Sci/Tech | 'First Americans were Australian'

This Brazilian cave art looks very similar to ancient Australian Aboriginal Art.
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The identity of the first Americans is an emotive and controversial question.
But the evidence from Brazil, and a handful of people who still live at the very tip of South America, suggests that the Americas have been home to a greater diversity of humans than previously thought - and for much longer.
Ancient Voices: The hunt for the first Americans(BBC Documentary)
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07-21-2008
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
Surprising proposal, American Indians look more Asian than European.
There are probably some genetic studies somewhere
Of course there are two ends to the Americas
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'First Americans were Australian'
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However, the new evidence shows that these people did not arrive in an empty wilderness.
Stone tools and charcoal from the site in Brazil show evidence of human habitation as long ago as 50,000 years.
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BBC News | Sci/Tech | 'First Americans were Australian'

This Brazilian cave art looks very similar to ancient Australian Aboriginal Art.
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The identity of the first Americans is an emotive and controversial question.
But the evidence from Brazil, and a handful of people who still live at the very tip of South America, suggests that the Americas have been home to a greater diversity of humans than previously thought - and for much longer.
Ancient Voices: The hunt for the first Americans(BBC Documentary)
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Wiki further complicates the picture
Pre-Siberian American Aborigines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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07-21-2008
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
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Surprising proposal, American Indians look more Asian than European.
There are probably some genetic studies somewhere
Of course there are two ends to the Americas
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'First Americans were Australian'
. . .]However, the new evidence shows that these people did not arrive in an empty wilderness. Stone tools and charcoal from the site in Brazil show evidence of human habitation as long ago as 50,000 years.
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BBC News | Sci/Tech | 'First Americans were Australian'

This Brazilian cave art looks very similar to ancient Australian Aboriginal Art.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I've seen some stuff that suggests that Australian Aborigines may have made it to South America long ago. (I've often wondered what would have happened if Neanderthals had colonized the western hemisphere a 150,000 years ago but of course what if a frog had wings) It is how ever possible that the people we call Native Americans ( much of my ancestry ) may have been just the latest wave of emigrants.
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07-21-2008
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Would'nt all human early art look simular ? much like the first drawings of children look simular.
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07-21-2008
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
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Would'nt all human early art look similar ? much like the first drawings of children look similar.
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I think no. Here's a tour to illustrate my contention:  >> The cave of Lascaux
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07-21-2008
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Re: Where did first North Americans come from?
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Would'nt all human early art look simular ? much like the first drawings of children look simular.
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Perhaps, but Australian Dreamtime Art if fairly unique- and big business.
Petyarre tags - Aboriginal Art News
One painting (modern) just sold for over $40,000.
Also there is other archaeological evidence of Aboriginal SA settlement (skulls etc) -see link I gave.
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