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That would end in s or ed, for us non-primates.
Perhaps life in the trees wouldn't suck. I know many men who's life ambition is to build a home high in the trees in Oregon, California, or Brazil.
Could you imagine if Constantine hadn't decided to join with the apostate christians and include the cross or other pagan symbols and rituals in the "christian" church? Maybe true christianity wouldn't have suffered the setbacks it did.
What if George hadn't decided to dump his excess tea on the Americas and passed along the taxes, but instead recognized the states and moved the English parliament to New England. Then when Hitler came by and asked for the island, Churchill could have said sure so long as you don't have ambitions of crossing the sea, you can have this hemisphere and I'll keep the west.
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06-15-2006
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I think the biggest single turning point was when a certain ape decided that life in the trees suck.
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Terence McKenna says they got high off mushrooms. He wrote a book called "Food of the Gods" that should be arriving at my doorsteps sometime this week.
How about when the little fishies decided that life in water sucks?
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06-16-2006
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Funny how we drink mostly beer in the states. But, euro has quite a taste for wine.
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Have you ever tried growing grapes for wine in Hannover or in Manchester?
I suspect it must have been the Spaniards that brought grapes to sunny California.
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06-16-2006
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I suspect it must have been the Spaniards that brought grapes to sunny California.
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Q!! A lot of them were *Italians*!!!!! But most of the grapes are French in origin, although long since diverged into completely unique varieties...
Turning point of note here was Prohibition (natch)...
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06-16-2006
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According to George Carlin, the day some guy said, "you see that big black and white animal over there with the bag under it? I'm gonna go over there and squeeze the bag and whatever comes out, I'm gonna *drink* it."
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A lot of them were *Italians*!!!!! But most of the grapes are French in origin, although long since diverged into completely unique varieties...
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 , and I always thought Mejico began as a colony of Spain!
Spaniards, Italians, Southern French, Greeks, Portugese... no comparison with Brits, Germans, Dutch or Danes in drinking Beer! Europe stretches from the Mediterranean up to the Baltic.
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 , and I always thought Mejico began as a colony of Spain! 
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Yeah, but they didn't plant any grapevines! It wasn't 'til post-Gold Rush days that people tried it, and mostly exclusively north of SF, where the weather is most "Euro-like", which didn't get any white folks until then.
Turning point: John C. Fremont offing the Berreyesa's in 1846...
Vino de Napa,
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I think the biggest single turning point was when a certain ape decided that life in the trees suck.
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Absolutely my friend, and the next greatest moment in history would have been when they learned to speak, allowing the state of constant bickering to manifest itself...........Infy
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Absolutely my friend, and the next greatest moment in history would have been when they learned to speak, allowing the state of constant bickering to manifest itself...........Infy
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What about when that first salamander left the puddle and began the path to survival on land? 
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Have you ever tried growing grapes for wine in Hannover or in Manchester?
I suspect it must have been the Spaniards that brought grapes to sunny California.
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Well the little ice age wouldn't support wine, so the sober pre-immigrants needed to change with times. Then, after times really started changing, they came to the americas with their new found drunkenness. And of course the methods of making beer. Who says drugs, alcohol being a drug, doesn't ever change the world as we know it.
I'd say any natural disaster, whether it be ice age, hurricane, earthquake, flood, etc etc changed the face of america for the recovery time. And as a market to recover. Insurance anyone? Not to mention how it changes the face of the earth.
I for one can't wait for the big one to hit the midwest. The earth will quake right in the heart of america. Or so I've heard.
edit: I guess the rest of the world has natural disasters also. Whaaaatever.
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