What's Hidden in the Vatican Library?

[Mercedes Benzene]

Also Turtle, in your original post, you mention a secret library in Canada...
Well, the only thing a google search turns up is this thread. Nothing else even relates to a secret library in Canada. I'm sure the Vatican has branches, including research laboratories at Universities and so-on, but I highly doubt there is a secret "stash" in Canada.
Everything is housed in Italy.

All information comes from The Holy See official website. www.vatican.va

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Turtle

The term for overwritten pages is palimpsest. Hard to find when you think the word is "palimsest".
http://www.archimedespalimpsest.org/

From the new Hypography dictionary linkage on palimptest:

Originally Posted by dictionary

According to the court's ruling, French law applied in the case, under which a person who holds any object for more than 30 years becomes its rightful owner. [PJC]

Those French! Basically by this it's OK to steal if you can get away with it. Even though the court suit lost against the Archimede palimptest, it is exactly the kind of legal action I suggest.

Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene

Also Turtle, in your original post, you mention a secret library in Canada...
Well, the only thing a google search turns up is this thread. Nothing else even relates to a secret library in Canada. I'm sure the Vatican has branches, including research laboratories at Universities and so-on, but I highly doubt there is a secret "stash" in Canada.
Everything is housed in Italy.

All information comes from The Holy See official website. www.vatican.va

Ahh you naiive youth. I'll find the Canada info in a link soon as I can.
Addendum: This is the author I heard on radio reference the WWII transfer of documents from the Vatican to Canada.
http://www.ancientmanuscripts.com/
I can't find the reference on his site.

[Mercedes Benzene]

Addendum: This is the author I heard on radio reference the WWII transfer of documents from the Vatican to Canada.
http://www.ancientmanuscripts.com/
I can't find the reference on his site.

Yeah... that's a real reliable source.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene

http://www.ancientmanuscripts.com/

Yeah... that's a real reliable source.

OK if I straighten out a misconception here? Thanks. First, I haven't read the gentleman's books, rather I listened to him talk about his research on the radio for 3 hours. I find many of his conclusions about the meaning of many ancient documents ridiculous; however, his library research skills are impeccable. He also clearly states on his website that he intends to profit by his efforts by selling his books. I don't recall whether he said what book if any yet extant the Canada/Vatican library connection is documented, but he did quote the source. I'll see if the radio show has a transcript.
Keep in mind we are talking about ancient documents here that often predate christianity let alone the Vatican.
Your Sincere Devil's Advocate,
Viceroy Turtle Mack

[Mercedes Benzene]

On the note of this thread, does anyone know a good place to buy antique books? Preferably, I'm looking for nifty leather-bound books >150 years old, relating to science or "alchemy".
Thanks!

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene

On the note of this thread, does anyone know a good place to buy antique books? Preferably, I'm looking for nifty leather-bound books >150 years old, relating to science or "alchemy".
Thanks!

Garage sales & estate sales offer the best opportunity to score a big find. Book shops specializing in old books charge a premium. Thrift stores, flea markets, antique stores, the aged neighbor's house (just knock & ask & you may get some anecdotal history to go with the book), and church bazars are a few places I have seen old leather bound books. :book:

[Spiked Blood]

Originally Posted by Turtle

What's Hidden in the Vatican Library?

Jimmy Hoffa

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Spike

Jimmy Hoffa?

Jimmy may be in the hidden Vatican library in Canada, yes. Let's ask to look shall we?

Originally Posted by Turtle

I don't recall whether he [Glen Kimball] said what book if any yet extant the Canada/Vatican library connection is documented, but he did quote the source. I'll see if the radio show has a transcript.
Your Sincere Devil's Advocate,
Viceroy Turtle Mack

OK There is no written transcript that I can find. I listened to the show on KEX 1190 am radio out of Portland Oregon. The site for the radio show has a podcast, but only if you join as a Streamlink memeber.
The radio show is Coast To Coast AM & here is their site & the date of the program:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Tueday August 15th, 2006

I know someone will attack the Coast To Coast show, but before you do, take a look at last night's guest.

Professor Bart Kosko, Ph.D., J.D.
http://sipi.usc.edu/~kosko/books.html
Cutting edge ladies & germs...cutting edge.

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene

I just found out that you can indeed look at the materials in the Vatican Library (secret or otherwise).
You must first be authorized.
You must then give the name of the reference material you wish to request. You can't just give a random topic. You have to have a specific title in mind.
Then the Vatican may authorize the request to see said material.

Do they have a catalogue?

One of the problems with big old libraries like the Vatican and the Bodlean is that they are not sure what they have either.
In 1930 a fascinating Herbal Text written by a Spanish Monk about the Aztec herbs in the 15C was discovered.
It has just been lost among everything else. The best way to hide a piece of hay is in a haystack!
500 copies were reprinted.(The Bandianus Manuscript) I am lucky enough to own one. I believe that Dover has recently made a re-print.

I was shocked by the disarray of the Bodlean library when I visited there years ago. They couldn't even find a film copy of manuscript they advertised for sale in their gift shop!

Italy has just too much history. They don't have the resources or inclination to save much of it.
Coming from a country with 200 years of European settlement I found Italy's cavalier disregard for its treasures shocking. Then I realised they were blaze because they had too much history.

The first casualty of global warming will be Venice

[Mercedes Benzene]

Do they have a catalogue?

Indeed they do. Searchable through the Vatican's main website.


By the way, that Hoffa crack just about killed me.