Linguistics The history, evolution, and usage of the English and other languages.


Advertisement (please log in or register to remove this ad)
Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-06-2008, 06:22 AM
modest's Avatar
Creating
Points: 84,814, Level: 100 Points: 84,814, Level: 100 Points: 84,814, Level: 100
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
Hypography Staff Member
Moderator
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: U.S. Midwest
Posts: 1,684
modest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond reputemodest has a reputation beyond repute
applicability of deistic analogy and allegory

This is not a discussion of religion - please, kindly, thump bibles elsewhere.

I’ve twice now been called out for saying “god” on hypography in a non-religious way. Once for having a signature quoting 2001: A Space Odyssey with “God” in the quote.

Oddly enough (and unrelated) my current signature has a religious symbol that is the name of a god.

In another post here, I use god (as well as “mother earth”) to some poetic extent. Neither references were religious nor had religious meaning intended. The meaning of my post; however, was clearly debased in at least one person’s eyes. So, my question is:

Are we to avoid religious symbolism in secular literature or can it be a useful tool for the poetics and meaning of a thing?

Let me give a couple examples:

Quote:
Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh

-Al Swearengen (a more profane character never existed)
More poetical - same meaning:

Quote:
Heaven from all creatures hides the book of fate,
All but the page prescribed, their present state.

-Alexander Pope
These are two very short and simple statements that carry a very big idea with some dramatic effect. Put in the right context, “God” and “Heaven” here are only analogue to an idea of how time works and what our place in it is. The idea is not religious. The same idea is discussed in great length in moments and events - a very enlightening thread. It could be that statements like above diminish the idea they convey because they could be seen as coming from a religious person (even when not). Or, it could be that they are a useful way to convey the idea.

I personally try to avoid such symbolism even though I am completely non-religious and have no faith or belief in a god. I don’t do this because I’m afraid of being considered religious (there should be no stigma there) but because it can clearly muck up an issue.

It just seems odd that we so often go to the Greek gods for analogies and symbolism but are linguistically constrained from using the generic term ‘god’. Just as constraining is our inability to go to the judeo-christian fables and myths for analogy for fear of having the concept behind the analogy be branded religious.

If I wanted to talk about free will and human understanding of right and wrong I might want to use the apple from Eden as an analogy. The story has the necessary structure and framework for the discussion and everyone knows the story. In the end I probably wouldn't use the analogy and it's unfortunate.

It would be hard to argue that something has not been lost since the time of Shakespeare in our use of English. Could this be one of those things?

-modest
__________________

Last edited by modest; 02-06-2008 at 06:25 AM. Reason: quote tags
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply

Bookmarks
Advertisement


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plato's Allegory of the Cave Merla Philosophy and Humanities 18 03-24-2007
Allegory in the Bible and Creationism Erasmus00 Theology forum 11 12-19-2005
I think I may have an analogy that can better illustrate this model Christopher Biology 0 04-10-2005
Evolution and Plato's Allegory of the Cave Merla Biology 6 03-10-2005
Analogy to the Universe and Dark Energy Moonchild Astronomy and Cosmology 4 12-07-2004

» Advertisement
» Latest Science News
A Fine-Tooth Comb To Measure The Accelerating Universe
imageAstronomical instruments needed to answer crucial questions, such as the search for Earth-like planets or the way the Universe expands, have come a step closer with the first demonstration at the telescope of a new calibration system for precise spectrographs. The method uses a Nobel Prize-winning technology called a 'laser frequency comb', and is published in this week's issue of Science.
Read » | 0 comments

Fermilab physicists discover "doubly strange" particle
imagePhysicists of the DZero experiment at the U.S. Department of Energy's Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory have discovered a new particle made of three quarks, the Omega-sub-b (Ωb). The particle contains two strange quarks and a bottom quark (s-s-b). It is an exotic relative of the much more common proton and weighs about six times the proton mass.
Read » | 0 comments

Stanford's 'autonomous' helicopters teach themselves to fly
imageStanford computer scientists have developed an artificial intelligence system that enables robotic helicopters to teach themselves to fly difficult stunts by watching other helicopters perform the same maneuvers. The result is an autonomous helicopter than can perform a complete airshow of complex tricks on its own.
Read » | 0 comments
» Current Poll
Do U text?
No - 33.33%
11 Votes
Yes; < 6 messages/day - 42.42%
14 Votes
Yes; 6-15 messages/day - 12.12%
4 Votes
Yes; 16 to 43 messages/day - 6.06%
2 Votes
Yes; > 43 messages/day - 3.03%
1 Vote
What? - 3.03%
1 Vote
Total Votes: 33
You may not vote on this poll.
» Random Social Groups
The Prophesy: Crew Members
6 members | 0 pictures
ESP
5 members | 10 pictures
Hackers
8 members | 0 pictures
Guitarists
4 members | 0 pictures
Photographers
10 members | 66 pictures
» View All Groups
Advertisement

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2000-2008 Hypography
Part of the Hypography - Science for Everyone Network