Do FlatLiners Exist?

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Kizzi

I once saw a film called Flatliners. They were doctors killing their collegues to see what happens to them when they die, by resurrecting their collegue so long after killing them and asking them what happened!

Does anyone know if experiments like this have happened in reality, & what were the results?

Kizzi

___Here in the US there is a frightening number of children 'playing the choking game'; they take turns choking one another into unconciousness for the rush. Quite a few children have accidently hung themselves to death trying it on their own. I doubt anyone other than the childrens' peers are asking them what it was like.

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Turtle

___Here in the US there is a frightening number of children 'playing the choking game'; they take turns choking one another into unconciousness for the rush.

Troubling indeed. However, the rush experience from “the choking game”, known more often among post adolescents as “scarfing”, is sexually erotic – not much like the dreamy, ethereal NDEs depicted in “Flatliners” - in the words of the great bard Britney Spears “not that innocent”.

Public awareness of the phenomena might be said to have reached a highwater point in 1986, with the ”preppy killer” murder, which many maintain was a case of consensual erotic asphyxiation gone horribly wrong.

I had a coworker who’s sister died as the result of an accident during autoerotic asphyxiation. It was an awful experience for his whole family.

I believe in the principle of “different strokes for different folks”, but more strongly in the principle of keeping one’s airway open and oxygen uptake in the pink.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by CraigD

Troubling indeed. However, the rush experience from “the choking game”, known more often among post adolescents as “scarfing”, is sexually erotic – not much like the dreamy, ethereal NDEs depicted in “Flatliners” - in the words of the great bard Britney Spears “not that innocent”.

___The cases I mentioned were children 12 or 13; found hung in their closets. I don't know about Spears; does the song promote this?

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Turtle

I don't know about Spears; does the song promote this?

I don’t know much about Britney Spears’s music, either. That one line, from “Oops, I Did It Again”, I know only because Richard Thompson covered the song in his recent “1000 Years of Popular Music” tour (for people who know Richard Thompson only for his musical virtuosity - he’s on nearly every serious guitar aficionado’s short list for “best guitar player alive”, in addition to being a fantastic songwriter and singer - not for his sense of humor, such an occurrence seems nearly inconceivable).

To the best of my knowledge, Britney Spears’s music is emblematic of the sexual eroticization of even very young children, but not erotic asphyxiation. “Oops, I Did It Again” is about flirting, or perhaps premature ejaculation – it’s hard to tell – but definitely not about scarfing flatlining.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by CraigD

(for people who know Richard Thompson only for his musical virtuosity - he’s on nearly every serious guitar aficionado’s short list for “best guitar player alive”, in addition to being a fantastic songwriter and singer - not for his sense of humor, such an occurrence seems nearly inconceivable).

...not about scarfing flatlining.

___Roger on the latter.
___On the former, how about that Al DiMeola(sp)? One of my hosemates likes hisa work a lot & claims he is one of the "best".

[Lemon]

I would be flatlined, Mostly just to see what happens. Ive always been curious what happens after death, so why not die and find out?

I dont believe in a God, or out-of-body experiances, so i just think that its blackness and nothing after, But hell you never know till you try first hand.

[Boerseun]

Both my sister and dad are seriously allergic to bee-stings. So much so that it takes my dad about five minutes from being stung to being in a coma. And the other day, I was driving with my dad into Johannesburg, and a bee stung him on the arm whilst he was driving, he just stopped the van, got into the back and lied down, and told me to go to the nearest hospital. I didn't know the side of Jo'burg we were in from Adam, and just drove and followed signboards on the side of the road - any board with a white dot and red cross was the road I took! Any case - I floored my dad's VW kombi for all it was worth, and eventually made it to a hospital where he was rushed into the trauma unit and injected with every kind of dope imaginable. He made it, but what he had to tell afterwards is the most incredible:

He reckons that after he passed out, he found himself following the van from outside, looking at his VW transporting his body to a hospital, rushing up and down streets looking for help. And he was just cruising along by the side of the road following the whole incident, seeing it dispassionately and remotely, as if he was just an ordinary passer-by, not really caring what's happening.

Was this a bona fide out-of-body experience? I don't think so. I think what he experienced is akin to dreaming, something to do with imagination lessening the pain of death.

Or something like it.

But back to the question - flatliners certainly exist. Every individual undergoing a heart by-pass is physically killed by their blood being cooled down to two or three degrees (Celcius, for all my non-standard American friends) above zero. And being chilled to such a degree, they are operated upon and can survive it for more than eight hours. After wich they are sewn up and kick-started again, and heated up. And afterwards there's nothing wrong with them, and you can't tell that they've been physically (and clinically) dead for quite a bit of time.

Death by refrigeration. Works for beer.

[Boerseun]

Now why on earth would this thread pitch up in my 'suscribed threads' list, as having been posted to yesterday? The last post here was done by me, in November!

[BluesMan]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Now why on earth would this thread pitch up in my 'suscribed threads' list, as having been posted to yesterday? The last post here was done by me, in November!

I started to post on it yesterday, but then never submitted the post?
Maybe that initiated your subscription notification?

I was going to comment that I didn’t see any Bioethical issues with the index card project, then thought better of the post since this was an old topic and my comment was off topic.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Now why on earth would this thread pitch up in my 'suscribed threads' list, as having been posted to yesterday? The last post here was done by me, in November!

As soon as someone places a new vote, it comes back to the top... of your subscribed threads and the recent threads list, even if no actual post was made. Hopefully, an administrator will correct me if I'm wrong... that's how I've pieced together my understanding of the way it works.