Depression (Clinical)

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by palmtreepathos

Have we covered "learned helplessness"? And the "games people play"? A lot of subterfuge is going on in the world and in some of our lives more specifically. People need scapegoats, and some who can't succeed make their kids seem worthless so they can feel superior and some parents manufacture superkids to validate their existance. ......

I know some have truly nurturing families out there and for them maybe nutritional deficiencies was the rug ripped out from under you, or maybe the neighborhood church system showed you the seedy side of the clergy and your parents(loyal churchy folks) just knew it couldn't happen like that.....

The matrix of sound health and thinking is beyond the child but as an adult sometimes we "get it" and get better

I agree, sometimes however you need help to move on. Some people can survive an abusive childhood for years then one day something happens and for no reason they are right back there being 10 again, being abused.

Read books by the psychiatrist R.D. Laing (Lang?)
or
I'm OK Your OK by Dorothy Jongwood (Sp?)or any other book on Transactional Analaysis

[palmtreepathos]

sometimes however you need help to move on

So true, sometimes it takes the village, even if it is us sickies supporting each other and pointing the flashlight at good info!(thx Michael!) The ability(and freedom) to see clearly, to admit to self and then honestly converse on the truth of your life's experience with kindred souls is invaluable as those who are part of the problem may never acknowledge it due to their own agenda/fear/blindness.
Also to get a objective "world view" is essential and I especially credit studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses as a touchstone of mental health and an anchor of hope in the stormy times we are going through, but that is another thread

[Michaelangelica]

Seeing clearly is hard if not impossible when you are depressed

Have a look at this
To diagnose Coeliac disease they had to do an operation (A stomach biopsy)
Now however you can have a genetic test
Especially, but not only, If you are of Irish or Jewish ancestory and have a lot of vague 'sick' symptoms; get this one crossed off your list.
I wonder if we haven't mucked about with the genetic structure of wheat too much?
Anyone know anything about wheat genetics?

Stomach Pain in a Slice of Bread: Gluten Is a Quiet Culprit
AlterNet: Health and Wellness: Stomach Pain in a Slice of Bread: Gluten Is a Quiet Culprit
It also can be a tricky diagnosis, since symptoms vary, and some people don't have any. Among the most common, according to the Celiac Disease Foundation, are a distended stomach, cramps, excessive gas, bloating, chronic diarrhea, constipation, anemia, fatty stools, and weight loss. Celiacs can also be depressed, irritable, lacking in energy, infertile, have dental enamel defects, and develop osteoporosis, joint pain, ulcers, or a blistering, itchy skin rash called dermatitis herpetiformis.

. . .
"For a disease that affects one out of 133 people in this country, that's latent in many people, you'd think our federal government would be pouring money into this," Switkes said. "But, it's not."

[Michaelangelica]

cruely ironic given bi polar people are unwell half their life?

DRUG COMMONLY USED TO TREAT
BI-POLAR DISORDER DRAMATICALLY
INCREASES LIFESPAN IN NEMATODE WORMS


Nematode worms treated with lithium show a 46 percent increase in lifespan, raising the tantalizing question of whether humans taking the mood affecting drug are also taking an anti-aging medication. Results of the Buck Institute study, led by faculty member Gordon J. Lithgow, PhD, are currently published online in the Journal of Biological Chemistry.

Buck Institute - Lithium, Lifepsan in Nematodes

[Michaelangelica]

Work and depression

Listen Now - 27102007 |Download Audio - 27102007

High psychological demands are experienced in all areas of work. This causes stress and anxiety. Rates of anxiety and depression are increasing in the western world.

Although genes have been isolated associated with depression, genes alone don't determine whether someone develops a particular problem. They work together with the environment.

Show Transcript
Science Show - 27October2007 - Work and depression

Robyn Williams:The bad news this week is that students at school and university are working under so much stress that they're succumbing to both anxiety and depression.
. . .
Richie Poulton: The paper we've got coming out shows that there is a certain type of work stress related to high psychological demands (that is enormous time pressure, heavy workload and so forth) that can predict who becomes depressed in otherwise healthy people, people who have never had depression or anxiety in their life.

[Lorin_Leslie]

dude, who cares how they're different.
they're still not fun.

i have clinical depression, "depression",
bipolar and basically every other mental
disease/ disability you can think of.
and im just fine.

[Mike C]

Angelica

My Brand of Socialism would eliminate almost all the 'depressions', wheter 'economic' or health wise.

Since MBoS would gaurantee economic security for all citizens, that would take care of the economic depressions.

The 'health' care depressions would be mostly eliminated by opening the US healthcare system to all qualified alternative practicioners, since they cure their patients rather than just treat the symptoms as our current approved healthcare system works using only drugs or other painful procedures like operations.

God's medicines (natural substances) like vitamins, minerals and etc are superior to the drugs that our US healthcare system uses.

So, here again, there would be a great reduction of the sufferering that these patients endure.

The Naturopathic doctors cure most of the terminal rejects that the drug doctors have failed to do.

Mike C

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by Mike C

Angelica
My Brand of Socialism would eliminate almost all the 'depressions', wheter 'economic' or health wise.

Such optimism. I presume you are young.
Americans would see Australia a a socialist country. I wouldn't; It is all a matter of degree. We take better care of our poor in health, education and welfare, but there is still along way to go and we do not have your economic resources.

Since MBoS would gaurantee economic security for all citizens, that would take care of the economic depressions.

Good idea. But what do you do about Bush (& his ilk) who feels making rich people richer will help the poor?

The 'health' care depressions would be mostly eliminated by opening the US healthcare system to all qualified alternative practicioners,

Yes there is a lot to be said for alternative measures.
St. John's Wort, Lemon Balm, Heartsease for depression along with many alternative physical and mental remedies.
But I don't think it is all black and white.
There is an alternative doctors group here who have been pointing out to the government for some time that they save the government's money
One in five visits to a GP here is for an Adverse Drug Reaction.

Unfortunately with power and prestige you also get to be in charge of the Spin (or lies) and doctors opinions are held in very high regard by average people. Whatever the doc. says must be right

God's medicines (natural substances) like vitamins, minerals and etc are superior to the drugs that our US healthcare system uses.

I have a lot of sympathy for this point of view (see threads on Violets and posts on herbs). Unfortunately at the moment, it is only the rich who can afford natropathic, & orthomolecular medicines and consultations.
The way many natural therapists use vitamins is more akin to a drug than a naturally occuring vitamin in food,.

The Naturopathic doctors cure most of the terminal rejects that the drug doctors have failed to do.

I think there are wins on both sides and fault on both sides.
It would be great if we could take the best from both.

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

Such optimism. I presume you are young.
Americans would see Australia a a socialist country. I wouldn't; It is all a matter of degree. We take better care of our poor in health, education and welfare, but there is still along way to go and we do not have your economic resources.

I am approaching 90 within the next 2 months. I enjoy this good health because I do not eat any animal products.

Good idea. But what do you do about Bush (& his ilk) who feels making rich people richer will help the poor?

This is an example of republicans accepting corporate corruption. Our Constitution has been reduced to nothing but 'window dressing'.

Yes there is a lot to be said for alternative measures.
St. John's Wort, Lemon Balm, Heartsease for depression along with many alternative physical and mental remedies.
But I don't think it is all black and white.
There is an alternative doctors group here who have been pointing out to the government for some time that they save the government's money
One in five visits to a GP here is for an Adverse Drug Reaction.

That is true that the Naturopathic Physicians (NP) involvement in the government supported healthcare industry would drastically reduce the costs of healthcare. That does not happen here in the US. That is why our healthcare costs here are so high.
The ND's would eliminate 50% of the unneded operations and reduce drugs to a minimal use by replacement with the much cheaper vitamins, minerals and othe natural substances.

Unfortunately with power and prestige you also get to be in charge of the Spin (or lies) and doctors opinions are held in very high regard by average people. Whatever the doc. says must be right

True.

I have a lot of sympathy for this point of view (see threads on Violets and posts on herbs). Unfortunately at the moment, it is only the rich who can afford natropathic, & orthomolecular medicines and consultations.
The way many natural therapists use vitamins is more akin to a drug than a naturally occuring vitamin in food,.

Yes. Since in our country, one has to pay for this alternative treatment, they are still much cheaper than the drug/surgery method but unfortunately, the poor have to go to the doctors that their insurance companies cover.

I think there are wins on both sides and fault on both sides.
It would be great if we could take the best from both.

Well, i reject the approved drug/surgery method by avoiding it as much as I can, thank God.
I do not need or use any drugs.

Mike C

[Michaelangelica]

Antidepressants, Exercise, Age, Even Food Intake, Affect Generation Of New Brain Cells

ScienceDaily (Nov. 9, 2007) — Recent research shows that the production of new brain cells may be crucial for antidepressants to be effective and that the medication's effectiveness is strongly influenced by age. What's more, meal frequency, type of food, and physical exercise affect the brain's ability to manufacture these new cells.

Antidepressants, Exercise, Age, Even Food Intake, Affect Generation Of New Brain Cells