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There is a documentary film I have watched twice on holistic medicine in India. The film is titled "Ayurveda: the Art of Being", & features the work of Brahmanand Swamigal. He makes medicines from herbs & minerals and has a western Phd as well as studying under some 20 Indian masters. Very good show if you ever run across it.
Do you know of it? They briefly mentioned mental disease but no specific medicines that I recall.


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Depression is anger without enthusiasm. Joining a hate group can be very therapeutic. Uncle Al suggests EPA enforcement or IRS tax return auditing.


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Depression is anger without enthusiasm. Joining a hate group can be very therapeutic.
I wouldn't join any hate group that would take me as a member. - Thelonious Templeton George


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Depression is anger without enthusiasm. Joining a hate group can be very therapeutic. Uncle Al suggests EPA enforcement or IRS tax return auditing.
A number of traditional therapists beleive that depression is the result of anger turned inwards


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I know what its about. I pulled myself out of 'clinical depression' via the developement of Truth-Basic!!

I really do think most depressions this strong begin by the mind left unguided in tramatic experiences.
There are also brain disorders!
Although, what I experienced was next to death. I lost sight of emotions, and could not taste food. No day was without pain and sleep was out of the question.

I do stand here today with my symbolic fist in the air and hand held out, saying, There is always a light my friend you not only need to find it but you do need to turn it on. I did it! I know so many others can, however making it through lead me to a path of a strange kind of enlightenment.
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I know what its about. I pulled myself out of 'clinical depression' via the developement of Truth-Basic!!

I really do think most depressions this strong begin by the mind left unguided in tramatic experiences.
There are also brain disorders!
Although, what I experienced was next to death. I lost sight of emotions, and could not taste food. No day was without pain and sleep was out of the question.

I do stand here today with my symbolic fist in the air and hand held out, saying, There is always a light my friend you not only need to find it but you do need to turn it on. I did it! I know so many others can, however making it through lead me to a path of a strange kind of enlightenment.
Wow!
What a post
Thank you.
I am humbled by such courage

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It is like a philosophy.
I did not know what to call it, but it is a way of processing with the very basic truths.

In any problem one is to fall back on what has been done, what works, decide if it is true. Then take a step forward from that basic fact and build on top of that.

Depressed people specifically need a way to find the wheel. You cant just say go that way out of the ditch. They need to form a base under them to work with. Sort of like a reset button.

When you back away from a project only then do all the details form into large single pictures.
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Emerging targets for the treatment of depressive disorder
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Macritchie KA, Young AH.
Department of Psychiatry, Leazes Wing,
Royal Victoria Infirmary,
Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 4LP, UK.
a.h.young@ncl.ac.uk
Expert Opin Ther Targets 2001 Oct;5(5):601-612
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/postmonoamine.htm
ABSTRACT

New agents offering novel mechanisms of action are required in the treatment of depressive disorder. Established agents targeting monoamine systems are unsatisfactory because of full and partial treatment resistance, delay in the onset of their effect and the occurrence of side effects. The monoamine hypothesis of depression is now recognised to provide an incomplete explanation of the pathophysiology of depression. New theories have recently developed and new targets for treatment have emerged. We briefly review some important candidate systems and therapeutic targets in depression: the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA) and the glucocorticoid and corticotrophin-releasing factor receptors, synaptic plasticity and neurotrophins and the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor. The putative role of the neuropeptides substance P and neuropeptide Y, the nicotinic system and the potential therapeutic benefits of cannabinoids are also reviewed. Vagal nerve stimulation (VNS) and transcranial magnetic stimulation, serendipitous advances in treatment, are discussed briefly.

SSRIs
NARIs
5-HT2
Recovery
Serotonin
Anhedonia
Noradrenaline
Antidepressants
Biogenic amines
Tyrosine hydroxylase
Tryptophan hydroxylase
Noradrenaline depletion
Catecholamine depletion
An individualised approach
How do antidepressants work?
Males, females, serotonin and depression
The monoamine hypothesis of depression
The neurotrophic effects of antidepressants
The catecholamine hypothesis of depression


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Patients seek unapproved depression therapy

Tuesday, June 06, 2006
By Elena Cherney, The Wall Street Journal

Pediatrician Laura Schulman suffered from depression so severe that it forced her to stop practicing medicine five years ago.
A string of drug cocktails over the years failed to help.
Then she read about an experimental treatment called repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation.

The treatment hadn't been approved for depression, but a clinic in Canada was offering it to U.S. residents, and would even help arrange travel and lodging. So last summer, the Seattle resident dipped into her savings and headed north to a MindCare Centers clinic in Vancouver, British Columbia, where three to four weeks of treatment costs nearly $7,000.

After a few sessions of rTMS, which delivers electromagnetic pulses to the brain via a magnetic coil held against the skull, Dr. Schulman says she felt her depression lifting. As she made her way around Vancouver she started finding it easier to manage everyday tasks that had once felt so burdensome -- such as buying a bottle of water at a corner store. "It was like putting on glasses for the first time if you've been myopic all your life," she says.

Dr. Schulman is one of many desperate patients leaving the U.S. to obtain rTMS after failing numerous antidepressant medications.

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Patients seek unapproved depression therapy

Tuesday, June 06, 2006
By Elena Cherney, The Wall Street Journal

Pediatrician Laura Schulman suffered from depression so severe that it forced her to stop practicing medicine five years ago. A string of drug cocktails over the years failed to help. Then she read about an experimental treatment called repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation.

The treatment hadn't been approved for depression, but a clinic in Canada was offering it to U.S. residents, and would even help arrange travel and lodging. So last summer, the Seattle resident dipped into her savings and headed north to a MindCare Centers clinic in Vancouver, British Columbia, where three to four weeks of treatment costs nearly $7,000.

After a few sessions of rTMS, which delivers electromagnetic pulses to the brain via a magnetic coil held against the skull, Dr. Schulman says she felt her depression lifting. As she made her way around Vancouver she started finding it easier to manage everyday tasks that had once felt so burdensome -- such as buying a bottle of water at a corner store. "It was like putting on glasses for the first time if you've been myopic all your life," she says.

Dr. Schulman is one of many desperate patients leaving the U.S. to obtain rTMS after failing numerous antidepressant medications. And while some doctors are cautioning patients to wait for the Food and Drug Administration to weigh in, scores of other patients have traveled to U.S. clinics that offer the treatment on an "off label" basis. The technique is approved in the U.S. only for brain research, but doctors can use it to treat depression, just as other drugs and therapies can be used in applications other than those for which they are approved. In Canada, the rTMS device has limited federal approval for safety, but provincial health-insurance plans won't cover it, citing lack of evidence on its efficacy.

The therapy is showing promise in studies. In the first big multisite trial of rTMS, the method was shown to benefit about 42 percent of patients with treatment-resistant depression -- or severe depression that doesn't improve with medication. And side effects were considered mild, mostly consisting of headache. The 300-patient study, released last month, was sponsored by Neuronetics Inc., which is seeking Food and Drug Administration approval for use of its rTMS device in treating depression. A spokeswoman for the FDA declined to comment on the review process.

Many psychiatry experts say rTMS is likely to be approved soon in the U.S. But some doctors note that for now, the clinics in both Canada and the U.S. are operating without direct regulatory authority, and may not be following the same protocols in screening patients that researchers use in their clinical trials. So some patients who aren't appropriate candidates may be paying for pointless treatment, these doctors say, and failing to pursue the treatment that they do need. Since rTMS isn't covered by insurance, patients typically pay thousands of dollars out of pocket.

"The results are very promising, but standards need to be in place" before patients seek treatment, says Sarah H. Lisanby, a lead investigator on the Neuronetics study and a psychiatrist at the Brain Stimulation and Neuromodulation division of the New York State Psychiatric Institute.

Treating stubborn depression remains one of psychiatry's most puzzling problems. About 14 million people in the U.S. suffer from depression, and some 70 percent don't fully respond to the first antidepressant drug they try.
At least one-third of patients still have symptoms after adding a second drug or switching to another medicine, according to recent studies by the National Institutes of Health.
"These are people who've lived their lives in misery or have tried many medications," says Mark George, a psychiatrist at the Medical University of South Carolina, who is an investigator on the Neuronetics trial and has consulted for the MindCare clinics.

Only two nondrug treatments have been approved by the FDA for depression. Electroconvulsive therapy, or ECT, is considered the gold standard in hard-to-treat cases, based on its efficacy. But because it works by causing a seizure, it must be performed in a hospital. And it can have serious side effects, including memory loss and cognitive problems. Dr. Schulman of Seattle, for instance, said she didn't want to try ECT because of the risk of side effects.

Vagus nerve stimulation, approved last year, involves surgery to implant a device in the neck, but is only approved as an add on to medication for chronic or recurrent depression.

In rTMS a strong magnetic field is directed through a coil held against the head for a series of sessions that last less than an hour each. The magnetic force stimulates a part of the brain believed to play a role in depression. The treatment doesn't require anesthesia and produces few side effects, though it doesn't work for as many people, or as effectively, as ECT.

The treatment does carry a small risk of seizure, and the American Psychiatric Association guidelines for research state that rTMS should be supervised by a licensed doctor. In research trials, patients are screened to make sure they don't have medical conditions that could put them at risk for having a seizure. Patients in the studies are also screened by a psychiatrist to make sure that they in fact are suffering from depression.
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Thanks for all the great info, Michaelangelica! It would be interesting to see if researchers can conclusively establish a link between viral infection and depression.

Dear Racoon, I understand that you are a very optimistic person by nature, but please refrain from making antagonistic and hurtful comments. I can assure you that clinical depression is a very real medical problem that affects many people. A person can't snap out of depression, just like he/she can't snap out of diabetes or cancer.

I have been suffering from severe depression all my life. And I'm not exaggerating - I can remember wanting to commit suicide at the age of four. A few years ago I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and for the first time I started getting treatment. I found psychotherapy to be of very little use, since I understood very well what the problem was and what I should be doing. But I simply wasn't capable of "just being happy" like people kept on telling me. I've tried various medications over the last few years, and I'm now taking a cocktail of four different ones. It seems to be working OK, but I'm always aware of the dark monster lurking beneath.


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