[paigetheoracle]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

More mindless victimisation of fat people
Wouldn't "helping" and some research be a better model than "punishment"?


The Union News.: Alabama to dock obese state workers


Not all fat is created equal
Would this be because fat cells are full of stored toxins?

The top quote sadly, is what I meant about the political answer versus the scientific answer: Kill it as opposed to cure it (Find out the cause versus attack the effect).

The way we live ensures toxic bodies and some obviously react to it worse than others.

[mynah]

Gardamorg

If you're 5'11" and weigh under 200 lbs you are not clinically obese, even though it might feel that way to you. Your main problem appears to be body image and self-esteem, and unless you can deal with it, nothing you do to lose weight or get fit will make you feel good about yourself. (At your age I was 5'8" and weighed 90 lbs, and no-one could convince me that I wasn't fat.) The problem is far from uncommon: Even some of the people I'd thought of as really cool at school admitted to me later that they'd had low self-esteem at the time.

One of the problems is that we want the perfect bodies and faces that we see on magazine covers - even though those people are the exceptions to the general rule, and some of them only get to look that way through cosmetic surgery. I worked at a magazine myself, and I've been at some of the cover shoots: First, lots of time is spent on make-up, hair styling and clothing for the model, and special eye-drops are used to make the whites of the eyes look as sparkling as possible. The lights are very carefully set up to show the best possible angle and minimise blemishes. Eventually the best one out of hundreds of photographs taken with a very expensive camera is chosen. Before production, this is edited to remove blemishes and wrinkles. The person you see on the cover does not really exist at all.

And please do take heed of Moontanman's excellent advice on weight, body image and attracting girls.

[Michaelangelica]

Another study on corn syrup( HFCS)

Summary

To summarize, the rise in obesity rates with increasing HFCS consumption was no coincidence. The increased popularity of soft drinks and HFCS-sweetened convenience foods led to a rapid increase in fructose consumption. It was this excessive fructose intake that fuelled the rapid weight gain, since fructose does not generate the same satiety signals as glucose. It is likely that sweetened drinks are worse than sweet solid foods, and that sucrose has the same effect as high fructose corn syrup.

Most studies of the effects of calorically sweetened liquids on appetite and weight gain looked at soft drinks. However, fruit juices and drinks also contain added sweeteners, typically HFCS, i.e. they pose the same obesity risk. Switching to noncalorically sweetened soft drinks isn′t the answer either, since artificial sweeteners like aspartame come with problems of their own (5).

Of course fruit also contains fructose ("fruit sugar"), but this obviously doesn′t mean that one should stop eating fruit. It doesn′t contain nearly as much fructose as sweetened drinks and it is a valuable source of phytonutrients and fiber, whereas soft drinks provide little more than empty calories.

Clearly, one of the best things we can do for our health is to stop drinking soft drinks.

Why Soft Drinks Contribute to Obesity

[Nitack]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

Another study on corn syrup( HFCS)
Why Soft Drinks Contribute to Obesity

You know what is funny. I saw a commercial last night with two moms, one says "Your not going to give your kids that are you? It has HFCS! " The other one says "In moderation High Fructose Corn Syrup is fine. It is made from corn, sweet like sugar, and ... yada yada".

My thought upon seeing that commercial was this... "Isn't this just recycled big tobacco ads? Didn't they try to convince people smoking was fine in moderation?"

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by Nitack

You know what is funny. I saw a commercial last night with two moms, one says "Your not going to give your kids that are you? It has HFCS! " The other one says "In moderation High Fructose Corn Syrup is fine. It is made from corn, sweet like sugar, and ... yada yada".

My thought upon seeing that commercial was this... "Isn't this just recycled big tobacco ads? Didn't they try to convince people smoking was fine in moderation?"

MMmmm
Yes soundlike
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Google scholar on obesity
http://epsl.asu.edu/ceru/Articles/CERU-0406-224-OWI.pdf
Home page
Clin. DiabetesHome page
J. Welsh and W. Dietz
Sugar-Sweetened Beverage Consumption Is Associated With Weight Gain and Incidence of Type 2 Diabetes
Clin. Diabetes, October 1, 2005; 23(4): 150 - 152.
[Full Text] [PDF]


Home page
Am. J. Clin. Nutr.Home page
G. A Bray, S. J. Nielsen, and B. M Popkin
Consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in beverages may play a role in the epidemic of obesity
Am. J. Clinical Nutrition, April 1, 2004; 79(4): 537 - 543.
[Abstract] [Full Text] [PDF]
Worldwide production of high-fructose syrup and crystalline fructose -- Vuilleumier 58 (5): 733S -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

Mass spectrometric 13C/12C determinations to detect high fructose corn syrup in orange juice: collaborative study.

Mass spectrometric 13C/12C determinations to detec...[J Assoc Off Anal Chem. 1982] - PubMed Result

Pure honey was deliberately adulterated with high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) at levels of 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, and 50% (w/w). Sugar composition as a finger-print was determined by HPLC for all samples.

Adulteration of honey with high-fructose corn syrup : detection by different methods

Metabolic effects of dietary fructose -- Hallfrisch 4 (9): 2652 -- The FASEB Journal

Conclusions Fructose intolerance may cause unexplained GI symptoms. The higher yield of positive tests in our initial study may be due to referral bias or testing conditions; lower test dose produced a lower yield. Nonetheless, recognition and treatment of fructose intolerance may help many patients.

Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

High-fructose corn syrup and the obesity epidemic -- Jacobson 80 (4): 1081 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

Conclusions: In school-age children, greater total and central adiposity are associated with smaller LDL particle size and lower HDL cholesterol. Overweight children consume more fructose from sweets and sweetened drinks than do normal-weight children, and higher fructose intake predicts smaller LDL particle size.

Fructose intake is a predictor of LDL particle size in overweight schoolchildren -- Aeberli et al. 86 (4): 1174 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

An interesting potted history of the human diet over the last 40,000 years.

There has been an "invasion" of children’s diets by soft drinks, fast food, and high-calorie poor-quality snacks, with per capita soda consumption having increased fivefold over the past 50 years and now comprising >10% of caloric intake for the average adolescent. Fast food has increased from 2 to 15% of calories in children’s diets in all aspects of society since the 1970s, leading to food high in refined carbohydrates, high in trans fatty acids, low in fiber, and low in vitamins. In a study comparing the daily ingestion of 1,150 ml sugar versus artificially sweetened drinks, the latter decreased calorie intake (8). Over 10 weeks, sugar-sweetened diets led to a 5-lb weight gain (9). Epidemiologic analysis suggests that each additional serving of sugar-sweetened drink per day increases the risk of obesity by 60% (10). In diet recall studies of 6,000 children ages 4–19 from 1994 to 1998, one-third ate "fast food" on any given day, in association with caloric intake of 2,236 cal, as opposed to that of 2,049 cal on days without such food products (11). Fast food eaters have higher BMI (12) and greater risk of developing features of the insulin resistance syndrome.

Prevention of Obesity and Diabetes -- Bloomgarden 26 (11): 3172 -- Diabetes Care

Results. Consumption of sugar-sweetened soft drinks was positively associated with calorie intake, weight gain, and incidence of diabetes. Total calorie intake increased an average of 358 kcal/day for women whose sugar-sweetened soft drink consumption increased from ≤ 1/week to ≥ 1/day from 1991 to 1995. Mean weight gain for this group, adjusting for dietary and lifestyle confounders, was 4.69 kg. Among those whose consumption decreased from ≥ 1/day to ≤ 1/week, mean total calorie intake decreased by 319 kcal/day, and mean weight gain was 1.34 kg.
. . .
. . . High-fructose corn syrup, which has become the main caloric sweetener for beverages produced in the United States,12 may also contribute to increased weight gain. Animal studies have demonstrated that high fructose consumption leads to increased energy intake, body weight, and adiposity.13-15 Although less is known about its effect in humans, research suggests that fructose does not stimulate insulin secretion or enhance leptin production, two hormones important for long-term regulation of energy balance and body adiposity. In addition, fructose leads to markedly increased rates of de novo lipogenesis.16,17 A review of these and other studies on the impact of fructose consumption concluded that the long-term consumption of diets high in fructose is likely to lead to increased energy intake, weight gain, and obesity.18

Sugar-Sweetened Beverage Consumption Is Associated With Weight Gain and Incidence of Type 2 Diabetes -- Welsh and Dietz 23 (4): 150 -- Clinical Diabetes

[Racoon]

micheal brought up a good point about Soda and Pop..

But many so-called "Fruit Juices" are nothing but the same fructose and sugar that is found in soda.

Basically "sugary" drinks are a detriment.
When you buy Juice from a grocery, its not usually juice. Its sugar water just like soda. Under a 'healthier' label of 'juice'

Read the Ingredients

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by Racoon

Read the Ingredients

Yes here it has to say pure juice etc. But even then concentrate is used to up the sugar content.
We need to know about a 100 numbers for ingredients as the names are not listed (I wonder who thought that one up?).
Some more reputable companies do put names on
and nearly everything says 'may conatin nuts' as they are all afraid of killing a kid with a anaphalactic peanut allergy and getting sued (Mainly getting sued - we have copied that from the USA)
Almost anything ending in "ose" is sugar by another name (right Chemists-? would it be mainly corn syrup too?)

[modest]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

Almost anything ending in "ose" is sugar by another name (right Chemists-? would it be mainly corn syrup too?)

Yup, it would be a kind of sugar.

-ose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

We need to know about a 100 numbers for ingredients as the names are not listed (I wonder who thought that one up?).

You mean like the number 43 would mean cotton seed oil and the label would only have the number 43? I can't imagine... Are there secret decoder rings?

~modest

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by modest

You mean like the number 43 would mean cotton seed oil and the label would only have the number 43? I can't imagine... Are there secret decoder rings?

~modest

Page one of twelve
Food Additives- Numerical List
Symbols used in this list:
= alpha; β = beta; δ = delta; γ = gamma.
Code Number Prescribed Name
100 Curcumin or Turmeric (colour)
101 Riboflavin or Riboflavin 5'-phosphate sodium (colour)
102 Tartrazine (colour)
103 Alkanet or Alkannin (colour)
104 Quinoline yellow (colour)
110 Sunset yellow FCF (colour)
120 Carmines or Carminic acid or Cochineal (colour)
122 Azorubine or Carmoisine (colour)
123 Amaranth (colour)
124 Ponceau 4R (colour)
127 Erythrosine (colour)
129 Allura red AC (colour)
132 Indigotine (colour)
133 Brilliant blue FCF (colour)
140 Chlorophyll (colour)
141 Chlorophyll-copper complex (colour)
142 Green S (colour)
143 Fast green FCF (colour)
150a Caramel I (colour)
150b Caramel II (colour)
150c Caramel III (colour)
150d Caramel IV (colour)
http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/_src...%20numeric.pdf
OR
Alphabetical
http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/_src...ist%202007.pdf
I won't take up too much of Hypography's hard drive!

Great system eh!

[modest]

Originally Posted by michaelangelica

page one of twelve...

Great system eh!

I like it, but they should maybe add a layer of encryption or perhaps a cipher to the code. How it stands now, anyone with the key can crack the code and find out what they're eating. That's not very secure

~modest