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Diseases and Cures

Diseases, from which many people suffer are often much more mysterious then the medical science would like us to believe; so are their cures. Many people suffer from diseases which even good doctors cannot diagnose or prescribe a cure. On The other hand some people often claim to be cured using means for which conventional medical science has no explanation.

For example, now-a-days a so-called swami, Ramdev is much in vogue in India and several western countries. He often prescribes breathing exercises, funny yoga postures and concotations of herbs (which are supplied by his propreitory pharmacy) as cures for many diseases and thousands of people swear by the efficacy of his methods.

Similar is the case with Homeopathy, although allopathy practitioner pooh pooh the claim that a substance that is in a very dilute concentration can be effective, no one can dispute its growing popularity around the globe.

Can there be a scientific rationale for all these?


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Can there be a scientific rationale for all these?
Absolutely. What do you think though?
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Well human beings are not like automta, medical science often leads us to believe. Each human body has characteristics which it may not share with all other human bodies. (It is like saying that the gene pool of two human beings can never be identical) The human body, or for that matter the body of any multicellular organism, has dimensions which the science has so far not unraveled. Perhaps as the time passes many of such dimensions would be scientifically proved. To me medical science, read allopathy, is somewhat akin to alchemy several centuries ago. Just as we discovered many new fields of chemistry, so shall we discover many facts about human body as the time passes, and then perhaps we may find that many of the claims of the so called alternative medicine are really not non-scientific.

Science changes with time, we must never forget that, and trash the claims of some people without giving even a serious thought or investigation!!


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For example, now-a-days a so-called swami, Ramdev is much in vogue in India and several western countries. He often prescribes breathing exercises, funny yoga postures and concotations of herbs (which are supplied by his propreitory pharmacy) as cures for many diseases and thousands of people swear by the efficacy of his methods.
It has been very well proved that Yoga works and very well .But how ?Our body is a complex mystery to us !


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Thosands of Clinical Trials have proved, over and over again, that the most powerful pill we have in our armory is made from sugar-the placebo.
It cures nearly everthing
So this tells you something about the power of the mind over disease.

Recently kids in a Children's Hospital cancer unit were given a "Star Wars" type computer game where what was being shot up was the kid's cancer cells.
It seemed to work in reality too!


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A big problem is the impact of those who exploit "alternative" medicines, and they give a bad name to things that when applied properly can have enormous impact. We may not have answers to some of these questions, but it would be wrong to suggest there are none out there to be found.

Now, I'm all stressed and my blood pressure is up and my cortisol is pumping so I'm gonna do some tai chi and yoga and relax, deep breathing all the way.
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Similar is the case with Homeopathy, although allopathis practitioner pooh pooh the claim that a substance that is in a very dilute concentration can be effective, no one can dispute its growing popularity around the globe.

Can there be a scientific rationale for all these?
I can't see a 'scientific rationale' for Homeopathy.


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Dear Michael, The fact that you cannot see something does not mean that it does not exist.

And that is a fact of science.


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People interested in homeopathic medicine are well advised to read some standard, objective descriptions of its principles and history, such as its wikipedia article. Because the term “homeopathic” is so widely used in advertising to mean, vaguely, “good for you”, it’s important to understand the actual claims of homeopathic medicine, and be able to distinguish them from advertising and enthusiast hype.
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Similar is the case with Homeopathy, although allopathis practitioner pooh pooh the claim that a substance that is in a very dilute concentration can be effective, no one can dispute its growing popularity around the globe.

Can there be a scientific rationale for all these?
Yes, in addition to many very supersticious, unscientific, explanations, there are some serious scientific ones. The scientific controversy arises because these explanations are extraordinary, and over claims that they have been experimentally demonstrated.

Early in the history of homeopathy, it shared many similarities with the modern mainstream medical practice of inoculation. Homeopathy’s central “principle of similars”, which states that a substance that causes symptoms of a disease in a healthy individual can cure the disease in a sick one, sounds very much like the modern idea of “training” the immune system to respond to a pathogen, as is done with inoculation (eg: against polio). Much as vaccines must be careful designed to cause a very minor infection, not cause a full-strength case of the disease it is intended to prevent, according to homeopathic principles, the suspected disease-causing substances in homeopathic medicine must be very dilute.

Homeopathy became controversial, in part, because the “active” substance (eg: belladonna extract, quinine) in most modern homeopathic medicines is so dilute that a dose of it is almost certain to contain not even 1 molecule of the substance. In other words, the medicine is, chemically, pure water, or sometimes another “carrier”. Modern explanations in support of the homeopathic effect being pharmacologically real, not psychological suggestion propose that the diluting substance – usually pure water – is affected in some physically real and measurable way that causes it to “remember” having been in contact with the active substance, allowing it to pass on information about the substance to the patient’s body. There’s no convincing experimental evidence that water has any such “memory” ability, and many negative experimental results and logical arguments suggesting it does not.

Many supporters of homeopathy cite various supposedly well-controlled clinical studies that showing anything from minor to dramatic effectiveness of homeopathic medicines in treating various diseases (in particular, asthma). However, attempts to reproduce these results outside of research institutions founded explicitly to promote homeopathic medicine have been unsuccessful. Another often-cited work is an experiment by Demogeot, Gries, and Poitevin published in their 1994 paper ”NMR Relaxation in Very High Diluted Aqueous Solutions”. This research attempted to find evidence of the alteration of water in a homeopathic medicine by examining it using Magnetic Resonance Imaging. Although this paper is typically described in pro-homeopathic literature as “scientific proof” of all the claims of homeopathic medicine, the linked-to paper’s conclusion actually states, as do many scientific papers, that the experiments do not disprove these claims, and that further, better-controlled experiments are needed.

Note that many of the substances used to prepare homeopathic medicines are of known benefit in higher concentrations than their effectively zero concentration in the homeopathic medicines. The controversy, and general rejection of homeopathy by scientific biology and pharmacology, is due to these effectively zero concentrations, not, in most cases, the pharmacological properties of substances like belladonna, digitalis, and Echinacea.

Note also that, due to being effectively pure water, good-quality homeopathic medicine is almost certainly harmless at worst, unless a patient rejects needed mainstream medical treatment if the belief that it is unnecessary because of the homeopathic medicine.


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"First do no harm"
I don't think homeopathy has any basis in science.
It is a matter of faith.
If homeopathy does work, what is the concoction of chlorinated hydrocarbons and organo-phosphates and heavy metals doing to us? These are taken in varying amounts in our daily diet.
You have to believe that a minute (undetectable) dose of something will have an effect on your body.
If this is the case with the pollutants we have thrown around the planet in the last 50 years we are all in trouble.!


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