[Tim_Lou]

what do you think about bush?
is he good? or bad?

i bet you guys have heard of the guys get his head cut off.....well, see how bad it is over iraq...

after bush came to president, 911, terrorisms.....all kinds of troubles show off....

is it b/c of him? or just the way it is today?

how about the next election? is it better to not select bush? i heard that the other candidate is no better than bush...

any opinions you guys have???

(well, maybe not all ppl are living in the united states....)
(is this post off topic??? i dont know... sry if it is...)

[Tormod]

No, it is not off topic and I think that even to post it in the Philosophy and Humantites section is a statement in itself.

I don't live in the US but I did in 1990-1992, and I remember the night when Bill Clinton was elected...(but that's a different story).

I don't think one can blame 9/11 on Bush, but I think there is every reason to blame the Iraq crisis on him and his staff. He's acting like a real cowboy. The current prison/torture scandal is a complete farce. Bush going live on TV proclaiming how important it is to show that the U.S. is a democracy and how it is important to show how they take this kind of thing seriously - and the a day or two later it turns out both he and Rumsfeld knew about it and even authorized it all along. Sickening.

Tormod

[Tim_Lou]

yeah.....hatred are built toward bush...


like us, chinese!!!! the taiwan issue piss almost every chinese off!!!
if gore had had been selected, US wouldn't've stirred up stuffs about taiwan...well, around these days, US backed up a little as i saw in newspaper.... back to the days of clinton, relationship between US and China is better.

[Tormod]

Well, there you go - a lot of people think China should keep their hands off Taiwan. It's not always easy to understand why other countries and people act the way they do, seen from your own perspective.

Tormod

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Tim_Lou
what do you think about bush?

Oh, you think I get going on religion? Wait till I start on Bush!

is he good? or bad?

This idiot child and his cronies should be locked away for the crimes they are committing. Not just lying to the American public and the entire world, but the immoral CHRISTIAN way they do things.

In case I was not clear; BAD

i bet you guys have heard of the guys get his head cut off.....well, see how bad it is over iraq...

A horrible thing that can not be justified in any sane way. However it CAN be explained. It's called "retaliation". BUSH started it, they are retaliating. One religious ideology against another. And if you don't believe religion is behind it, you ahve not been paying attention. 9/11 was an example of a successful Faith Based Initiative.

after bush came to president, 911, terrorisms.....all kinds of troubles show off....

Perhaps you are not aware of the PNAC, The Project for the New American Century It is a ultra conservative political group established in 1997 with members Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, and Paul Wolfowitz at the helm. If you read their White paper you will see that they set in motion in 1999 where we are at today. The wars, the military budget... Iraq was chosen to establish a military base in that area. Most strategic and of course lots of oil. The following site is one of many that exposes the PNAC.
PNAC Watch -- Exposing the Project for the New American Century
http://www.pnac.info/


More to follow, you will not beleive what has been going on.

is it b/c of him? or just the way it is today?

Bush is an idiot child pawn. A dangerous mental midget chosen by the PNAC crowd to get them into power.

how about the next election? is it better to not select bush? i heard that the other candidate is no better than bush...

NOBODY is as BAD as Bush, NOBODY! It is that simple. (Well most that are worse are locked away already) Kerry is a vast lessor of the evils. He is pretty harmless. Just wants political power. Not world domination.

any opinions you guys have???

Just astarting. And as you whould know by now, it will include lots of factual support. Not just crazy conspiracy stuff. even though you will think it is!

Such as, would you like to see a movie of Donald Rumsfield and Saddam Hussein shaking hands in a photo op during one of Rummy's biz trips to sell Saddam the chemical weapons he used to "kill his own people"?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/


You won't believe what you are going to learn.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Tormod
I don't think one can blame 9/11 on Bush,

Then you need to see:

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/startrek.htm


It is a flash animation which details (again with verifyable sources provided) how much Bush KNEW before 9/11. It is done as a Star Trek takeoff. Which unfortunately reduces the impact. Perhaps making it palatable to learn that we COULD have prevented 9/11 EASILY!

And wonder around the site some. Lots of really good info on what is going on.

Another absolute incredible shocker

Thanks for the Memories
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html


It is a short flash animation which documents, with references, how Saddam has been a CIA "asset" since 1959. How the US brought him to power. How we told him face to face that we did not care if he attacted Kuwait and then attacked him for doing it.

The current prison/torture scandal is a complete farce. Bush going live on TV proclaiming how important it is to show that the U.S. is a democracy and how it is important to show how they take this kind of thing seriously - and the a day or two later it turns out both he and Rumsfeld knew about it and even authorized it all along. Sickening.

Like I said Bush and the group should be brought up in international tribunal for war crimes.

[Tim_Lou]

i personally belive that bush did a pretty bad job. compare to those of clinton, hes just way behind......

back in clinton US is stable and everything is fine......well 9/11 may not be really blamed on bush....but wars and others stuffs should...

yes, i agree, bush lacks experiences in handling foreign affairs. its just stupid to get all these messes.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Tim_Lou
i personally belive that bush did a pretty bad job. compare to those of clinton, hes just way behind......



back in clinton US is stable and everything is fine......well 9/11 may not be really blamed on bush

Tim, go to the web sites I provided above, watch the animations, then tell me he is not responsible.

[Freethinker]

And to keep this discussion on the topic of this site, What about Bush the Anti-science President?

We are talking a literal end-times Creationist fanatic that has stated that we will all be dead before we have to worry about the reprecussions of current events.

On February 18, 2004, over 60 leading scientists–Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors, and university chairs and presidents–signed a statement voicing their concern over the misuse of science by the Bush administration. The Union of Concerned Scientists is seeking the signatures of thousands of additional U.S. scientists in support of this effort.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environ...fm?pageID=1320

[Tormod]

Originally posted by: Freethinker
And to keep this discussion on the topic of this site, What about Bush the Anti-science President?

We are talking a literal end-times Creationist fanatic that has stated that we will all be dead before we have to worry about the reprecussions of current events.

Agreed. Bush's anti-science plicy is simply incredible. What with the Thomas Butler case which shows that the oxymoronic war on terrorism also hits home base.

http://www.fas.org/butler/index.html


It is astonishing how the Bush administration tries to bring the country back to the dark ages. Don't they realize that without science - and scientists - they would never have their wonderful smart bombs, SDI and what-not.

Tormod