Are older people capable of rational thought?

[TZK]

Originally Posted by Qfwfq

And who tells you I don't have both!?

What really happened is simple, I was able to see what they meant but it took a sledgehammer to get in what I was trying to tell them.

Uh because your not him, and you are making a silly claim? The human mind doesn't work that way... If someone doesn't accept something you say it's because there is something else they know that contradicts it. You said he went off about something else that you didn't think mattered. This is a dead giveaway. You also said he acted like he figured it out in the end. This is also a dead giveaway.

Here is a neutral example of what I mean.

Imagine a farmer and albert einstein talking about weather effects. The farmer says "Well ya know when dem dere rain clouds come around it will wash out some of the soil". Then albert einstein gets it in his head that for some reason, the attributes of the molecules and how they will therefore interact will prevent this from happening. The farmer tells him he is crazy and einstein tries to explain why he thinks that. Then eisnstein goes and gets a chalkboard and writes out a ton of formulas. An hour later he comes to a realization and realizes that the molecules will interact in a way that will produce what the farmer has seen.

You are the farmer talking about how you tried to hammer this idea into einsteins head. It is a silly thing to say because you did not understand his point of view. Not that you couldn't have if you tried, but you didn't think you should bother. And you cannot condemn this type of behavior altogether because there is no gaurantee that the other person doesn't know something that really does alter the outcome.

[Qfwfq]

I'd say you're the one that's supposing far too much about me and about what I didn't say.

Originally Posted by TZK

Uh because your not him, and you are making a silly claim?

And he isn't me. And neither are you. And are you making a silly claim?

Originally Posted by TZK

If someone doesn't accept something you say it's because there is something else they know that contradicts it.

No, they knew nothing that I didn't and weren't understanding what I said.

Originally Posted by TZK

You said he went off about something else that you didn't think mattered. This is a dead giveaway. You also said he acted like he figured it out in the end. This is also a dead giveaway.

I didn't say I didn't think it mattered. It wasn't the solution to the problem. Sorting it out themselves was not what happened in my case, at all. I talked about cases in which, when my words finally penetrated and they saw there was sense in them, they acted like they had to explain it to me.

Originally Posted by TZK

It is a silly thing to say because you did not understand his point of view. Not that you couldn't have if you tried, but you didn't think you should bother. And you cannot condemn this type of behavior altogether because there is no gaurantee that the other person doesn't know something that really does alter the outcome.

I fully understood what they said, and without the slightest difficulty, and if they knew something that really does alter the outcome, why did they not get it across to me instead of finally understanding my pov?

What makes you think you understand things I don't and must teach me, and how do you hope to do so by babbling in this confused manner?

My balls are itching and I've no more time to waste.

[TZK]

Originally Posted by Qfwfq

My balls are itching and I've no more time to waste.

Exactly... pretty much all you had to say.

Also if the other scenario wasn't clear, I think a better one would be if you seperated the person who invented the CRT into 2 different people. You have one farmer who claims tvs work just like a plow on a field, and another that understands the physics involved. The physicist would reason around a big loop to come to the conclusion that the crt did actually function in a similar manner to a plow, at which point the farmer would express frustration that the physicist "did not understand what he was saying and then tried to act like he figured it out when my words finally sunk in".

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by TZK

I once read something talking about what happens to a person's brain as they age.

What utter crap and ageism prejudice
the brain continues to grow new cells throughout life.

My question would be
Are young people capable of rational thought?

Given the adolescent male driving record I would suggest not.

[Qfwfq]

Originally Posted by TZK

Exactly...

and do you think it was by pure chance?

Originally Posted by TZK

Also if the other scenario wasn't clear, I think a better one would be if you seperated the person who invented the CRT into 2 different people. You have one farmer who claims tvs work just like a plow on a field, and another that understands the physics involved. The physicist would reason around a big loop to come to the conclusion that the crt did actually function in a similar manner to a plow, at which point the farmer would express frustration that the physicist "did not understand what he was saying and then tried to act like he figured it out when my words finally sunk in".

pretty much all you had to say.

The other scenario was clear and I've been hearing the same kind of argument you make, throughout the past couple of decades. I'm able to tell when someone was just plain not thinking and then unaware that they got the idea because I had been saying it.

You still haven't shown me what makes you think you understand things I don't and must teach me. Did you not realize that I was paraphrasing you about that, just like the itchy balls?

[TZK]

Originally Posted by Qfwfq

and do you think it was by pure chance?

pretty much all you had to say.

The other scenario was clear and I've been hearing the same kind of argument you make, throughout the past couple of decades. I'm able to tell when someone was just plain not thinking and then unaware that they got the idea because I had been saying it.

You still haven't shown me what makes you think you understand things I don't and must teach me. Did you not realize that I was paraphrasing you about that, just like the itchy balls?

You may have been hearing but you certainly have not been listening...

Your attitude clearly demonstrates a lack of enlightenment, wisdom, maturity whatever you want to call it. "You still haven't shown me what makes you think you understand things I don't and must teach me." This statement is a dead giveaway. As socrates pointed out oh so long ago, the wise man knows he knows nothing. That doesn't mean a person doesn't make arguments or question each other's proposition. It means that a person who thinks they are entitled to be right for some convaluted reason, all reason aside, is a fool.

You are very self centered and insist on creating scenarios which simply do not happen, but rather are common interpretations of someone with your personality and maturity level dealing with someone who (temporarily or not) disagrees with what you have to say. There is no such thing as a person who "does not think".

Yes I realized you were paraphrasing me, though I think you must not have realized I was implying that people say their balls itch when they have lost an argument and do not want to admit it...

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

What utter crap and ageism prejudice
the brain continues to grow new cells throughout life.

My question would be
Are young people capable of rational thought?

Given the adolescent male driving record I would suggest not.

You do realize that people age and go through changes correct? ...Changes as in, net changes given cells grown and lost? Go get your brain scanned and compare it to one from a long time ago.

[Qfwfq]

Originally Posted by TZK

You may have been hearing but you certainly have not been listening...

Sez you.

Originally Posted by TZK

Your attitude clearly demonstrates a lack of enlightenment, wisdom, maturity whatever you want to call it.

It only demonstrates that you are supposing too much, not only about me but even about the episodes in my experience that I had initially mentioned.

What does the sentence "You still haven't shown me what makes you think you understand things I don't and must teach me." Have to do with the wise man knowing he knows nothing? The only thing it has to do with is the fact that one can say much the same the other way around. Just as trivially and gratuitously. What guarantees you I don't "know something that really does alter the outcome"?

Originally Posted by TZK

It means that a person who thinks they are entitled to be right for some convaluted reason, all reason aside, is a fool.

What convoluted reason makes you think you are entitled to be right? And what makes you suppose I think that I am?

Originally Posted by TZK

You are very self centered and insist on creating scenarios which simply do not happen, but rather are common interpretations of someone with your personality and maturity level dealing with someone who (temporarily or not) disagrees with what you have to say.

Just what makes you presume to know about me?

Originally Posted by TZK

There is no such thing as a person who "does not think".

I've seen plenty of people who simply aren't in the habit of thinking. I don't mean only young people but it simply isn't only old people.

Originally Posted by TZK

Yes I realized you were paraphrasing me, though I think you must not have realized I was implying that people say their balls itch when they have lost an argument and do not want to admit it...

That is not the only case in which someone's balls might itch. A good reason is when it really isn't worth it. If you had any sense at all, you would not have replied to my use of your itching balls expression.

Originally Posted by TZK

You do realize that people age and go through changes correct? ...Changes as in, net changes given cells grown and lost? Go get your brain scanned and compare it to one from a long time ago.

Quit the personal attacks. Respect Michael and apologize to him immediately, or you'll get yourself in trouble around here. Just who do you think you are?

[TZK]

“You cannot teach a person anything; you can only help him find it within himself.”

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) Italian physicist and astronomer.

Wow, I was going to bother responding to any more of your drivel, but after reading it in a message it just isn't something that can go unanswered...

I don't know what personal attacks you think you are talking about, nor do I know where you think you get the right to censor other people's opinions. It is a free country, you can create opinion nazi forum sites all day long as can I but don't think for a minute that people are going to stop disagreeing with you voluntarily just to be a part of your sad little mindless club. If this is how things are around here it is clear that this site is very deceptive in it's advertised nature and that perhaps something needs to be done about that.

[Qfwfq]

Which country, Krim? And who has censored you here in this thread? You haven't been prevented from stating your opinions, don't whine if others argue against them and underline the weak points. You will only obtain trouble in return for your continued personal attacks.

BTW I hadn't talked about teaching those people anything at all, you have simply imagined what you wanted about the episodes, without knowing anything of them. Who said I was talking about complex philosophical matters that these people disagreed with me about?

[Chacmool]

Originally Posted by TZK

Wow, I was going to bother responding to any more of your drivel, but after reading it in a message it just isn't something that can go unanswered...

TZK, your self-righteous attitude and snide remarks are not in keeping with the spirit of amicable debate here at Hypography. Please tone it down and show some respect.