Is armageddon going to happen?

[acblflitwpatwt]

Maybe

[Michaelangelica]

definitely
at least in America
See
proof it's the end time 1

[HydrogenBond]

One unique angle for Armageddon is connected to human evolution. The bible describes a very turbulent period that leads to a new type of human. The details of the process are subject to debate and speculation. But the gist describes is a collective social process leading to a new type of human remaining as the social norm.

Most armageddon scenarios, use some form of destruction but don't focus on the final results. Most of these scenarios simply go through destructive turbulence, where human nature is not changed. Humans simple rebuild or are exterminated from the earth. It is often based on a random sampling approach for the final results. The bible scenario suggests a process, leading to change.

As an example of what I am trying to say, science has strong evidence that suggests that humans have around for 1-2 million years. After civilization appeared, about 6-10 thousand years ago, these precusor breeds of humans disappeared, as the new humans took over. The transition, would have started with both types of humans at the same time. It ended with only the new type.

If you look at what the bible says, the final humans that remain are very positive, peaceful and natural. The current breed of humans, connected to the civilization, is moving in that direction but can't seem to get the job done.

If you run a parallel between the caveman breed and earliest civilization breed, the cavemen originally dominated and may have worked hard to sabbatage this new breed who was an easy target due to farming. But as the new breed of humans progressed the tide turned and the cavemen became obsolete.

The cavemen where far more natural, at the top of the natural food chain, with some key skills that allowed them to better control the environment. To become civilized from that state, the brain somehow got a boost. This suggests armageddon connected to another brain boost, that will alter the playing field so evolution can move forward another stage as a new human emerges.

[paigetheoracle]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

One unique angle for Armageddon is connected to human evolution. The bible describes a very turbulent period that leads to a new type of human. The details of the process are subject to debate and speculation. But the gist describes is a collective social process leading to a new type of human remaining as the social norm.

Most armageddon scenarios, use some form of destruction but don't focus on the final results. Most of these scenarios simply go through destructive turbulence, where human nature is not changed. Humans simple rebuild or are exterminated from the earth. It is often based on a random sampling approach for the final results. The bible scenario suggests a process, leading to change.

As an example of what I am trying to say, science has strong evidence that suggests that humans have around for 1-2 million years. After civilization appeared, about 6-10 thousand years ago, these precusor breeds of humans disappeared, as the new humans took over. The transition, would have started with both types of humans at the same time. It ended with only the new type.

If you look at what the bible says, the final humans that remain are very positive, peaceful and natural. The current breed of humans, connected to the civilization, is moving in that direction but can't seem to get the job done.

If you run a parallel between the caveman breed and earliest civilization breed, the cavemen originally dominated and may have worked hard to sabbatage this new breed who was an easy target due to farming. But as the new breed of humans progressed the tide turned and the cavemen became obsolete.

The cavemen where far more natural, at the top of the natural food chain, with some key skills that allowed them to better control the environment. To become civilized from that state, the brain somehow got a boost. This suggests armageddon connected to another brain boost, that will alter the playing field so evolution can move forward another stage as a new human emerges.

This is very interesting because according to the I-Ching 'Before the beginning of something of great brilliance, there must initially be chaos.' I've tried to begin new things but all I've met is indifference. Maybe I am one of these new men but if so at 57 I'm fed up trying I can tell you!

[paigetheoracle]

Is armageddon going to Happen? Quite likely because if you look at reality it is composed of layers (trees, The Earths mantle, skin etc) which shows that creation alternates with destruction or at least cessation of form/ effort. Not only are there the great extinctions among biological life but ice ages, periods of volcanic eruptions and amongst humans layers of peace, alternating with war or on the personal level 'conflict' of some sort. If animals and mineral forms can become extinct then why not humans, through their own hand or at the hand of something else in the natural scheme of things.

It is easy (see also '2112' in Weird Claims) to predict the beginning and end of something because new things come into existence all the time and old ones die away - life is a journey, so on the conveyor belt of reality, we all get on at some point as individuals or races/animals/life forms/minerals and off again at the other end (Nobody stays here forever - even the sun will bow out at some point - hot stuff lasts longer as cooling is death).

[Michaelangelica]

Where does your outlook of the future fit into your brand of Sci-fi? [I Heart Tech]
February 25th, 2008
When you think about the future, do you see a bright, shiny world that’s free of disease, war and poverty or do you see a barren, smoldering landscape with scattered humans trying desperately to survive?
Are you a pessimist or an optimist, a realist or a pragmatist?
Out there somewhere is a futuristic world waiting for you.
These are broad generalizations and not full plot synopses– just something to give you an idea of where you stand.
. . .
EG
Underlying outlook: Humanity may never reach a golden age, or even really get to explore the heavens. Long before that, humans will be the agent of their own downfall due to inherent, but unavoidable flaws.
Examples of sci-Fi that reflect this: War of the Worlds, Mad Max, Planet of the Apes, Terminator, The Day After Tomorrow, Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, I Robot, Jurassic Park

I Heart Chaos: One more reason to get outside more often

[HydrogenBond]

Armageddon is from bible prophesies. If you read beyond the destruction part, Armageddon ushers in a new beginning. If you look at this from the point of view of evolution, in light of prophesies, this new beginning is better than before. Armageddon could be analogous to the end of the cold blooded dinosaurs, so the warm blooded mammals have a chance. The first cycle led to humans version 1.0. Maybe the second cycle or Armageddon brings in human version 2.0. The drama suggests it first needs to have a massive recall of version 1.0 for genetic retooling. The bible indirectly talks about the new advanced genetics for human version 2.0. It talks about complete disease resistance, as well as life expectancies like that of a tree, i.e., 120-150 years.

The bible version tells of a psycho-drama, sort of an escalation of events that brings out the best and worse in people, due to stress. Version 2.0 may require a good brain fry, so the version 1.0 wiring gets shorted. The people left over are sort of battle fatigued. It is sort of like going into finals on the margin of good grades. There is tons of stress and things to do, but one has to push on. After it is done, one is fried. But after a little rest and seeing one bumped up all their grades there is joy. You have graduated.

[Ahmabeliever]

Sci Fi's eutopian societies are generally extended versions of what we have. A public misled that everything is ok (though who believes that now) and below the surface govt manipulating things to their own ends.

For a eutopic society - post armageddon or not - we need govt transparency. It seems to be a rare thing indeed where power does not corrupt.

Has democracy done it's dash. Will democracy bring us armageddon.

I think we need a system of 1 vote per iq point.

As people are 'dumbed down' by media medicine and malaise, so are their choices for government. We vote for those we most identify with. If they happen to be fundamentalist creationists, then fundamentalist creationist governments get to run the place - thanks to democracy.

The other driving force, besides the average voters low iq, that makes democracy 'averse to the greater good of all' is corporate sponsorship. You know, I know, we all know, they don't give a fig.

So we (maybe not you but the dumbass majority who believe most everything they're told) vote for the idiots we most identify with who had the cash to advertise themselves. As for choices - generally other idiots. Unaccountable in most cases, with a personal and corporate agenda, and baldfaced liars to boot.

Anyone who thinks God tells them what to do for their nation should be either given a padded cell or a soapbox according to the severity of their egotistical delusions - not the world stage!

One day, pre or post armageddon, I hope man wakes up to itself and creates a govt that is a think tank - not composed of opposing sides - and not 'big brother'. The think tank is composed of the most brilliant minds in the country/on the planet. The agenda is pure and simple, the greater good of ALL.

[Thunderbird]

Development is a process whereby insignificant and imperceptible quantitative changes lead to fundamental, qualitative changes. The latter occur not gradually, but rapidly and abruptly, in the form of a leap from one state to another. A simple example from the physical world might be the heating of water: a one degree increase in temperature is a quantitive change, but at 100 degrees there is a qualitative change - water to steam.
:"Merely quantitative differences, beyond a certain point, pass into qualitative changes." --Karl Marx, ''Capital'', Vol. 1.

Look around at the world and can you see that we have reached a critical point in global networks. We are on the cusp of two states. A tipping point where we connect into one world, or crash into chaos. if you understand Chaos Theory however, The trick is to do both at the same time.

Basin of attraction; The set of initial states which are drawn to an attractor of the system.

For the world to successfully evolve to a higher state, one where the the whole becomes greater than the former parts, there has to be a central point of organization. Is this on the horizon ? Hope so.

Bifercation point; A point at which a system splits into two alternative behaviours, either being possible, the one actually followed often being indeterminate (unpredictable). Related to catastrophes in Catastrophe Theory.

All creation or destruction of forms, or morphogenesis, can be described by the disappearance of the attractors representing the initial forms, and their replacement (by capture) by the attractors representing the final forms. Rene Thom

Catastrophe, and destruction and even what is called evil, is necessary to evolution.

The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly.

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You're going to die a horrible death, remember. It's all good training, and you'll enjoy it more if you keep the facts in mind.
Take your dying with some seriousness, however. Laughing on the way to your execution it not generally understood by less advanced lifeforms, and they'll call you crazy. Richard Bach
Illusions of A Reluctant Messiah

[nutronjon]

Wow, I am surprised by all the optimism. I think you all might be out of touch with reality.

One of the earliest predictions is, the earth will be destroyed by fire. Fire is symbolic of life. The prediction is, that there will be more fire/life that what is left to be consumed. There are popluations around the world that have exceeded the resources essential to life, and a mass die off is expected.

The problem is having a creation story that tells us what happens is the result of pleasing or displeasing a god. We are not paying enough attention to reality. Especially China has a huge water problem, however, as under ground water tables continue to fall, the rest of the world will notice a serious water problem too. We are using this underground water to produce food, faster than it is replenished. Israel is having a serious water supply problem, and this is one reason for warring with neighbors.

The US has exhausted gold mines, and many other mineral mines as well. It is no longer a self sufficient nation, getting rich with exports, but is now an importing nation, loosing wealth. The US is maintaining its standard of living by taking from others who will never have a chance to realize the wealth the US had, and we are being very unrealistic about this.

Right now there is not enough farm land to feed the world. An important reason to become vegetarian is, when we feed cattle grains, that means people somewhere else go hungry. Fueling our cars with corn, is causing a hunger problem for poor populations dependent on cheap corn. Our rising cost of food, is not hurting us nearly as much people in poor countries are being hurt. We are consuming their food because people who earn maybe a dollar a day, can't come close to competing with us for food grown on their soil and bought by us.

We are very smart, but are far from using our intelligence to the degree human survival demands. We are at the point, where we must do with less, and we just don't get it. This is not just a problem in technologically advanced countries, but the least technological advanced people are in serious terrible too! They are having far too many babies, and are destroying their own ecosystems in a disparate struggle for surivival.

Ahmabeliever, you have a common and unfortunate understanding of democracy. Science is to democracy what the bible is to autocracy. I am sure few understand what I am saying, but I hope some of you get it.