waxing the killing floor

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by sanctus

And murder can be ethical. By your definition ethical it is if it is logically derived (without theological interferences), there are heaps of logical derivation why a nurder could be ethical. Example: if I don't kill him he might potentially kill me, I don't want to risk that, so I kill him (by this reasoning I should eventually kill all life). It is very logic and without theology.

I disagree. The word murder is specifically defined as an unlawful killing. Acts of war, capital punishment, self defense and/or self preservation are all lawful acts and do not fall under the umbrella of murder. Outside of this list, I can think of few reasons that homicide could be considered righteous, justifiable or ethical. Killing a killer to save the lives of others would be an example. I could also understand a killing of passion or vengeance to avenge the killing of family or friends, but would not particularly agree that it's ethical, even if it might be righteous or justifiable.

I can also imagine cases of self preservation that I would not consider ethical or honorable, even if technically legal. Imagine being trapped on a deserted island with one of your own children with only enough food for one and then starving or killing your child to save yourself. In the same situation I would not even necessarily considerate it honorable or ethical to outright kill a stranger just save yourself, even though I might understand why somebody would.

Just my 2¢,

[sanctus]

So actually we agree. Where you make a difference between murder and homicide I make none. I don't know if you already read some of my older post, but anyway I'm a pacifist so for me something like lawful killing just doesn't exist.
In my earlier post in this thread I just wanted to point out as you did as well, that there can be logical derivation to kill.