Easter

IrishEyes · 03-27-2005

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They went to the Romans (Pilate, as I recall, but I am not sure if he made the decision)

I will write more on this later, after my house has emptied a bit. Orb, you've asked lost of good questions, and I'd like the chance to answer some of them, if you don't mind. But it'll have to be when the in-laws are gone, and the nieghbors have gone back home...
However, in my abscence, Biochemist seems to be doing a great job.
And yes, it was Pilate that stationed the Roman guards at the tomb, at the request of the Jewish leaders, as they remembered Jesus saying that He would rise again. Disbelieving His claims of being the Son of God, they still were worried that He might actually rise. Hmmm, now that is skepticicm!

orbsycli · 03-27-2005

honestly, not to be rude what-so-ever, but i can say whatever i want. that's the beauty of the internet, of speach, of conciousness, and all that.
that's pretty amazing that it was well guarded and what-not, but that just gets me thinking it was an "inside job"
who knows how it happened.
all i know, is jesus' decomposing, unconcious, rotting, rancid, mangled body did not rise from the dead, and escape his tomb.
i don't have difficulty with this empty tomb 'evidence' at all, and even if it was researched for a couple thousand years, and they are still puzzled, that shows NOTHING of resurrection.

lindagarrette · 03-27-2005

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Originally Posted by Biochemist

Orb- You really ought to be a little more careful before you make fun of historical events that have been well researched for thousands of years by thousands of smart folks.

What historical evidence? There is a Bible story and hearsay. I agree that there has been much research but it has turned up nothing. If you know otherwise please enlighten us.

Biochemist · 03-27-2005

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Originally Posted by TeleMad

Let's break that down. For the non-religious folks, they believe a man named Jesus lived when the Bible says he did and that this man named Jesus was crucified, and some of those same people believe Jesus's tomb was later found empty.

Thanks for corroborating, TM.

orbsycli · 03-27-2005

p.s. even if jesus did resurrect himself, and escape his glorious tomb, i think they would have been able to smell a rotting corpse with excessive wounds from a mile away.

Biochemist · 03-27-2005

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Originally Posted by orbsycli

that shows NOTHING of resurrection.

I was not trying to prove the resurrection. I was just defending the fact that a large number of atheists agree that the historical record supports the historicity of life of Jesus, and that the tomb was empty. I was referencing atheists becasue they are (presumably) not biased in favor of those positions. The evidence for the resurrection (out of the historical record) is, I think, weaker. Only about 500 people saw Jesus rise (according to the Biblical record), so the historical record from those witnessess is intrinsically more difficult to corroborate from external sources.

Biochemist · 03-27-2005

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Originally Posted by orbsycli

p.s. even if jesus did resurrect himself, and escape his glorious tomb, i think they would have been able to smell a rotting corpse with excessive wounds from a mile away.

Are you arguing against your own case here?

Biochemist · 03-27-2005

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Originally Posted by lindagarrette

What historical evidence? There is a Bible story and hearsay. I agree that there has been much research but it has turned up nothing. If you know otherwise please enlighten us.

There actually is quite a bit. I would like to take your question seriously, so I will need to find some concrete references that you can critique. Give me a couple of days to find some.

orbsycli · 03-27-2005

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Originally Posted by Biochemist

Are you arguing against your own case here?

come on don't be so literal, i was lightening up the thread with a disgusting joke. sheesh.

Biochemist · 03-27-2005

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Originally Posted by orbsycli

honestly, not to be rude what-so-ever, but i can say whatever i want.

Orb- I wasn't suggesting that you can't say something (and I did not take your point as rude). I was just suggesting that a lot of people have put a lot of good thought into this, and it not easily dismissed.

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...that just gets me thinking it was an "inside job"

...and that has been investigated as well.

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...all i know, is jesus' decomposing, unconcious, rotting, rancid, mangled body did not rise from the dead, and escape his tomb.

I think this would pretty much describe why folks who believe it happened regard it as a miracle.