Easter

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

come on don't be so literal, i was lightening up the thread with a disgusting joke. sheesh.

Sorry. I can never tell if the little smily faces imply sarcasm. I didn't want to ignore your point.

[mother engine]

gotta love hatred. why even post this attack? i am curious if anyone can give a mature rational justification for posting an anti-religious sentiment in a science forum? i have argued this before here and i still cannot understand why crass hatred and intolerance is so accepted and common place on a site that claims to be concerned with science. you either believe in god or you don't. to constantly mock those who do exposes a disturbing hostility that seems all the more pathetic to me because it is displayed by self descibed 'intellegent people'.

[orbsycli]

i hope i have not mocked anybody with my opinions.

[pgrmdave]

The Resurection isn't proven, and, in the minds of those who believe, it doesn't really need to be proven. That is what faith is - accepting something as true even if there is no evidence. Whether or not it is proven as true or untrue is irrelevant to me. Whether or not it was a spiritual or physical resurection does not matter to me either. It may seem strange, but I don't need to know, I simply need to accept it.

[orbsycli]

need, or want to accept it?

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by pgrmdave

The Resurection isn't proven, and, in the minds of those who believe, it doesn't really need to be proven. That is what faith is - accepting something as true even if there is no evidence....

I know I might be beating a dead horse here, but I really don't think anyone in the new testament ever expected anyone to take the resurrection by faith. I will grant you that it takes some investigation to confirm its veracity in 2005. But the faith issue in the new testament was NOT whether Christ rose. The faith issue was whether it meant something. Whether you believe the story or not, the disciples were profoundly affected by seing Christ after His crucifixion. They certainly were not wondering whether he rose (except Thomas, until he actually saw Him). They were wondering why this happened. The apostle Paul never expected people to take the resurrection by faith. Paul used the fact of the resurrection as a proof case to confirm that Christ was who He said He was. These arguments would be senseless if you have to accept the resurreciton by faith.

So, in 2005, we have a little work to do (in terms of historical verification) to build a case for the resurrection. But that is not a faith step. It is an investigation.

Key point: Believing Christ rose does NOT make anyone a Christian.

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by mother engine

why even post this attack? i am curious if anyone can give a mature rational justification for posting an anti-religious sentiment in a science forum?

I appreciate the defense, ME, but I don't feel attacked. There have been a number of recent threads where thoughts related to theism were inextricable from science (notably, there were two threads about scientific determinism and the apparent conflict with free will.) In that discussion, I noticed that many folks haven't thought through the apparent contradictions.

Others, like Orb, really don't have any context to understand even the rudimentary basics of Christianity (per her original thread message). I don't mind filling in the holes.

Originally Posted by Orb

i hope i have not mocked anybody with my opinions.

Orb-I didn't fell mocked at all. But I do appreciate the sincerity of the apology. I was just taking this thread as a logical place for basic Christian "training" since it is clear that some core elements of Christianity are unknown by some (many?) on this site.

[orbsycli]

totally understandable. i'll admit i do not know much about the history of religions, and love to learn about them.
i am a strong non-believer though, but that's just me.

(per her original thread message)

i'm a guy! not like it matters though.

[Biochemist]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

i'm a guy! not like it matters though.

WAY oops. Sorry about that.

[mother engine]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

i hope i have not mocked anybody with my opinions.

i am not religious so you haven't mocked me. i just don't understand the reasoning behind the post. maybe i should lighten up. this giving a **** stance can get in the way of transcendence.