Time does not exist

[AGThePoet]

wow. that was a lot of stuff to read through. cool

To the sleeping to see into the future thing:
Ive always understood REM sleep as just your mind taking whatever is there and trying to (re)create it. Lots of times I'll think about swimming or something as I fall asleep and that night I dream about swimming. I don't think time has much to do with it. Then again, I still know diddly squat about time. so that could explain it

Hmmm... all this talk about QM and sub amtomic levels of reality... ugh... 1 AM... school tomorrow... I'll have physics soon enough, then I can understand you all. Course, right now I'm so tired I barely understand that a banana is yellow. Perhaps if we were going just under the speed of light in the sub atomic reality the banana would be purple.

i think ill stop trying to make jokes about 4th dimensions now

AGThePoet

[burrows733]

Hi AG again,
The quantum computer thing is not that far off. Silicon chip technology is 2 D orientated, i.e. forward-back-left-right and in this format can only go so far. Now there is a scientist in the US who is doing research and is extremely far on, and into another form of chip technology.
Bearing in mind I’m not university educated so don’t know and wasn’t taught QM. But the jist of what this guy say's is that in a measured glass of fluid let’s say water for the sake of argument and there are a finite number of molecules in there. Now what he is trying with a modicum of success I might add is to electronically tag each atom. So it will in essence have an identity within the molecule one byte of information and if enough of these similar molecules exist they will form clusters and communicate between each other, forward -back-left-right-up- down much in the same way our own brain works. Exponentially making the amount of so called chip operating speed and memory into a mechanical form of what our own brain is and does, and it doesn’t and won’t forget much like our own silicon P.C’s, don’t forget. But this will have the capacity to hold what’s in all the worlds mega computers today with over 50% to spare.(remember this is the amount of fluid in a glass of water) As for computing speed it will handle all the large complex equations and numbers involved in quantum mechanics and make speculations on improvement to them.
Our organic brain has the imperfection of forgetting and it won’t he claims. He says it will do everything Albert Einstein did but even better and with complete accuracy. This was on a Discovery Channel about a year ago, and if it was on there, then.
It must be old hat stuff now. Makes you think, just what does a government organization with extremely deep pockets, spend your Tax money on,and won't let you play with
Geoff

[Tormod]

AG, I wonder why it is that the bananas I bought yesterday always turn brown today. As this thread's title suggests, time does not exist. Someone also argued that while time does not exist, change does.

So, in short, bananas change from brown to yellow NOT over time but through change.

So don't bother going anywhere near the speed of light, becase a) if you bring the banana it will turn into energy or b) if you watch the banana it will disappear at close to the speed of light (meaning you won't see it at all).

OK, I'm tired, too.

Burrows, I appreciate your views and comments. There was a feature article on quantum computers in the latest issue of New Scientist, worth a read. It discussed some ways it could be made possible using something called "anyons" which have a property called "topography" (that's about where I got lost).

Tormod

[burrows733]

Hi Roberto,
In regards to black holes and idea that they exist and that they are there, started off as an "idea" in someone's head. Note I said "idea". In that space where we all do our thinking and I hate to go on about it, this space is the 4th dimension where time in its totality, has for us in our 3rd dimension no relevance whatsoever.
To say nothing escapes a black hole is to me fundamentally wrong. Every material thing and that includes gravity, light, radiation and everything in this material universe that we can conceive of, is bound by that statement. “But” and everything has a “but” because, When you have an idea that you can “do a superman and raise your arm and just fly up” impossible you say that’s only for the movies. And here comes the “but” again, people said that about the Wright brothers when they were trying to fly. ”But,” oh there it is again, they were bucking the conventional belief’s of the day.
They had this idea the 4th dimension place where they live (ideas that is) that they could fly, impossible people said. But the very fact that they could imagine it in their head’s (4th dimension) this idea was translated by technology and theory into fruition and history.
Right the history lesson over. The fact that you can imagine (think, form an idea) that something is possible in your head, and just because with today’s technology it is impossible, doesn’t mean to say the future won’t hold an answer. If you can think about it in your head eventually it will be able to be done maybe a long way in the future but is possible (the old camel and the needle thingy)
Now with the groundwork laid, if you can think with your brain that you are in a black hole. And lets face it thinking you are there is the only way anyone could survive it. By thinking you are there by “Remote Viewing” is by far the quickest way to travel and remain unscathed and unfettered by 3rd dimension restraints, in a black hole.
So I think that with a thorough understanding of 4th dimension rules (laws) physical transportation of our material bodies is not necessary.
Obtaining that understanding is the key factor and the amount of knowledge we will get, along the way there is crucial to comprehension of the 4th dimension. And that my forum buddies is when two realities (worlds) collide.
Regards
Geoff

[Tormod]

Geoff, please don't take this as an offense (it is not!), but I think you should throroughly read our thread called "Theories on the 5th dimension" - your usage of the term 4th dimension is a bit strange. To do what you claim one would most likely need at least one other dimension. We might live in a 3D space but it is coupled with the passage of time which turns it into a 4D space-time. I don't think anyone in this thread has managed to convince me otherwise.

What we imagine and what is real is of course a good discussion, but we have had it many times now, and since this was originally a threadcalled "what is time" I think it might be a good idea to try to start new threads in order to bring new ideas to the front, like your point that remote viewing is a possible way of experiencing anything (I don't buy it. You can buy Astral Projection guides for $19,99 online, and they are (to put it lightly) pieces of junk).

"Remote vieweing" as a way to explore the world in your mind is not an accepted scientific theory and would require some proof (I'd say extraordinary proof). I don't think your "groundwork" as you call it is enough!

But as for some of your other ideas: there is a big difference in people imagining themselves flying with supernatural powers, and two brothers building a physical plane and taking off with it (I think they came some 7 meters on that first flight). That is what invention is all about! It has nothing to do with how many dimensions we live in, nor the passage of time.

Of course, the spirit of Hypography is that all ideas are welcome and if anyone likes (or dislikes) an idea they are free to discuss it. But I don't fall for that "but" argument of yours. Ideas do no become facts just because you can pull a rabbit or two out of your hat and claim that this hat is magical because I just pulled a rabbit out of it. Get my point?

The wonders of cosmology, in which black holes have their place, is incredible. To think that when Einstein formulated his theory of general relativity he did not know that they would predict black holes! Black holes were discovered around the same time (in 1916 Karl Swarzchild decided to use Einsteins new calculations to study the gravitational fields of stars), although some world models showed that they had to exist (this can be traced to the Rev John Michell in 1783, whose papers were not discovered until the 1970s but his ideas where used by Laplace as early as 1796).

Everything in our mathematical, physical and philosophical theories today started out as ideas, and most of them are still ideas. Like the point you made a few posts ago about the "10% usage of the brain", one must be able to find out which ideas are just claims and hoaxes, and which are ideas which may bring us to a further understanding of the world. Sometimes one does the other, which is why philosophy and creawtive thinking is very important, but at the same time it requires us to act as scientists and consider the facts and the possibilities.

In short, I believe that to think that being able to think something must make it true is a misunderstanding of the way the world works and the power of the human psyche.

Let's get back to the discussion here about what time is, or start new threads.

(*wiggling my index finger at all of you and forgetting that I am not a grandfather*)

Tormod

[burrows733]

Hi Tomod,
First and fore most I didn’t take offence, you obviously have a greater understanding of all those mathematical subjects that are for me, and how can I say, off limits. I know I will never learn QM, so consequently without the base of the pyramid being in place for me and an understanding of how the rest is built does kind of stop me getting to the point (top of the pyramid)
As to not reading the rest of the other threads in the forum. Smack my wrists, and stand me in the corner with a pointy D lettered hat, I’m guilty. I agree with you about the astral projection guides, being junk. As regards to "Remote viewing" as a way to explore the world in your mind, not being accepted theory. Well yes, I also agree with you on the point about it being not being accepted theory. Isn’t the fundamental work of scientists all about pushing the barriers beyond the so called accepted theory of the day, and getting the proof that Karl Swarzchild and Einstein tried so hard to get, and to make there ideas acceptable among their peers. (Oh by the way I‘ve never heard of Karl Swarzchild, Einstein and Tesla yes. Knowledge of these eminent gentlemen didn’t come into the basic knowledge of reading, writing and arithmetic here in Ireland in the late 50’s and early 60’s, (yes an old fart) and out to work at 15, well 14 and a half really, lugging bags of coal from a truck. That was called putting time in and having no time out. Hmmmm
Anyway as to the idea of imagining you have supernatural powers and the Wright brother’s brilliant invention (they are and were my childhood hero’s, who, helped make possible, my having a great childhood making model planes and flying them)
Now because I don’t understand and didn’t read previous threads on 4th and5th dimension discussing the effect time has on these dimensions is kind of beyond my scope of understanding. Just understanding that other dimensions are there is for my working class up bringing and education hard to come to grips with, let alone understand them in theory.
Magic is people’s way in general of explaining something they don’t understand but (sorry there’s that but again) reading over and over a mathematical puzzle until suddenly the penny drops, that me is “magic”.
I think ideas do become facts with the application of knowledge, technological invention, no how and advancement. Perhaps I didn’t explain my point properly (nothing new there I hear you say) give me a break I’m trying.
New ideas and sorting out the wheat from the chaff is a bit like panning for gold when you spot that little glimmer and it sparkles back at you it’s easy to spot. OK I know a lot of what I say is whacky and has virtually no foundation in fact but hey it’s got you guys’ throwing ideas into the ring. To think something must make it true is not really what I meant. To think something and make it come true with science, knowledge and technology no matter how long it takes now that is a more accurate representation. TIME for me to try and back out with some of my Irish pride left and leave the pond to you bigger fish I don’t want to get eaten.

Regards
Geoff

[burrows733]

Hi AG,
Found this and copied it to Word. What do you guys think? It's kind of long so takes a bit of digesting so here it is :-

Scalar Wars
The Brave New World of Scalar Electromagnetics
by Bill Morgan
For the past six months I have been undergoing the greatest paradigm shift I have ever had to go through. It has rattled my nerves and shaken my bones. This intense adjustment of my "world" has come about by studying the information given by Col. Tom Bearden at his website Cheniere. The new knowledge there has necessitated a total revision of my ideas about physical reality, the world we live in, and the future of humanity. This paradigm shifting even actually made me dizzy on certain days as I tried to absorb and digest Bearden's vast amount of information. I am not a scientist at all, just a layman, and I have little comprehension of the math and high physics of this new science called "Scalar Electromagnetics." But there is a great deal of information at Cheniere which needs to become common knowledge as fast as possible, for the sake of the survival of life on earth. To that end I have put together this small primer of Bearden's ideas, as a kind of "beginner's guide" to his website. (I have tried to underline certain words and phrases which are part of the new "jargon" of talking about these "new" phenomena. Also I have taken the liberty of bolding certain words and phrases to help them stick in the mind).
(Note: Throughout "EM" means "electromagnetic," and "LW" means "longitudinal wave")
This article has six sections:
New Waves 2. Tapping the Waves 3. Weaponization 4. Healing 5. Psychoenergetics 6. As It Stands

1. New waves discovered
Longitudinal EM energy fills vacuum of space, the time domain of spacetime, time as compressed energy, E=tc2, waves of time, phase conjugate wave pairs.

"Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other of the common fuels." Nikola Tesla
"At any point and at any time, one can freely and inexpensively extract enormous EM energy flows directly from the active vacuum itself." Tom Bearden
I guess the first thing to try to comprehend is that a "new" kind of electromagnetic (EM) wave has been discovered in the empty vacuum of space called “longitudinal” waves, which, when engineered, can be an inexhaustible supply of energy in great magnitude at any place in the universe. The word "new" is in quotes because the discovery really goes back to Nikola Tesla and his discovery of what he called "radiant energy." It is also not "new" because the Russians (KGB) have been working on this technology for over 30 years and have weaponized these "new" longitudinal scalar waves to a great degree.
These are the very weapons Nikita Khrushchev spoke of in January, 1960.

"By 1957-8 the Soviets had progressed to the point of a giant scalar EM accident in the Urals which exploded nearby atomic wastes, devastating the area. They had also progressed to development of great new superweapons using their new energetics - weapons to which Khrushchev referred in 1960 when he informed the Soviet Presidium of a new, fantastic weapon in development, a weapon so powerful that it could wipe out all life on earth if unrestrainedly employed.'" Tom Bearden
After over 30 years of development, and extensive testing around the globe, these new scalar electromagnetic weapons are up and running and ready to go. Tom Bearden, at his website Cheniere, discusses the history of these new scalar electromagnetic weapons in his paper "Historical Background of Scalar EM Weapons."
Some Immediate Implications
The implications of successful engineering of the longitudinal waves are enormous, and will change the world as we know it, one way or another. Among other things, these discoveries mean that:
1. The solutions to the energy crisis and the "oil problem" are in hand. These oil wars are unnecessary. There is endless energy availabl

[FiddleFishGal]

I love all this, when I grow up I want to be an astrophysicist and deal with all this stuff. Anyway I'm reading/have read part of a book called Time travel in Einstein's Universe so people might be interested in that. I know a 9th grader (one of my friends) that could probably discuss stuff with some of you quite intelligently (although he wants to be an aerospace engineer).

[FiddleFishGal]

sorry if that is a little random but i just read the first page, not noticing at hte bottom there were 3 others