Thought Dimensionality

[Merek]

same , but....i think conservative people have the right idea , and take the steps of action wrong.

[Erasmus00]

Originally Posted by questor

i think the liberal, or right brain thinkers cannot think but one step ahead.

Why do you assert liberals are more right brained then conservatives? My personal experience has been that scientists are often quite liberal (which I think is a general trend among academics in general). I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that science doesn't involve a lot of left brained thought.
-Will

[questor]

when i say liberal, i am referring to social concepts. i, too know liberal scientists, researchers etc. and they still fit the pattern i described. intellect and abilities vary greatly.
i know people who may be excellent at athletics, but can't reason. just because someone has mathematical abilities does not necessarily imbue him with logic.

[questor]

an extreme example would be idiot savants.

[HydrogenBond]

Liberal and conservative is not as simple as right and left brain. The right brain is more spatial is should lead to integrated solutions. Left brain is more rational and should lead to a logical basis for dedcuing solution and not dogmatic reciting of party platform. The fact that both are irrational (closed minded) implies that much of the thought dimension of both is not 2-D + (left hemisphere) for conservatiives or 3-D (right hemisphere) for liberals. Both are actually below 2-D. Neither is entirely rational and both are based on opinion and half baked thinking that can not see the big or best picture for everyone. They both come down to prestige, showmanship and money, i.e, mine is bigger than yours.

[questor]

I can't agree with you. if you go to any liberal weblog or chat site, you will find that if you pose a question about any social issue, the liberals will spout the liberal line in lockstep, and no presentation of fact will influence their thinking. the conservatives pretty much follow the same pattern, but at least the conservatives are open to reason. to see this in action,you could try the web site 'politically incorrect cafe' which has 400+ contributors. another evidence is the presence of welfare and the ''Great Society''. we have spent trillions on this money transfer scheme and have only succeeded in perpetuating the problem. political correctness has tried to eliminate human individuality by attempting to legislate equality in all things. our educational system is sick and dying, when the solutions are staring us in the face. only the liberal mind can conceive of these attempts at social engineering and persist in the effort even after failure.

[HydrogenBond]

Conservative thinking has the benefit of history on their side. This position can cherry pick what has worked in the past and which has a good chance of working in the future. It gets a little more subjective when attempting to introduce new thinking that does not have precedent in conservative tradititon. The liberal train of thought is creative but is untested and many of the ideas have led to unpredicted problems. I think their intent is good but their method is lacking. The dynamics seems to imply a more centered position is the answer, i.e., forward thinking with conservative constraint. For example, PC is trying to control social behavior and speech to protect what is viewed as wide range of victim groups. The conservative teachings of character and family allows the same to occur by teaching the individual to do onto others and don't punish the present for the past or the present will become the past.

[questor]

i would say that liberals have the same access to history that conservatives do. the difference seems to be that they cannot seem to learn the same lessons from it. liberals have trouble with cause and effect. their thought process tends toward the idealistic rather than the practical. when considering a problem, i doubt they ever say: what if ?, or: how much will this cost, and who will pay?

[HydrogenBond]

The liberal creative thought process and its goal of positive social change stems from the 1960's and 1970's. The youth of that time saw the vision of an ideal world of brothership and love. i.e., love generation. The youth were so organized toward this goal that even the conservative adults and the establishment of that day began to see their vision and allowed many of the social changes we now enjoy.

The problem is that the orginal common vision has divided into two camps. Both halves of the original unity worked together to help disupt the very wholesome, famiy orientated and conservative world of their parents. One half is pretending like they had nothing to do with it, and are now holier than thou. The other half no longer see the positive conservative world that they grew up in that allowed them to be idealist. The liberals are trying to keep this spirit alive but are not very practical. The conservative are practical but lack imagination. They need to work together again.

[questor]

the 60's were also known as the ''me'' generation. what they wanted then and want now is total freedom from authority and the concepts of morality. this is one of the reasons they hate Bush..because of his religion. this is also why they want God out of all public
displays and the ten commandments banished. this is another example of the true nature of the radical left. if we can banish God and the ten commandments, then we are free to engage in any kind of debauchery we want. this also explains political correctness. if everyone can be forced to comply with political correctness, then we are all the same. none are more moral, more authoritative, more achieving or more deserving than others.
this of course would yield a sick, lawless society in which a dictator would flourish, but due to the fact the liberals cannot envision results, this is there goal.