Abortion: Murder

[goku]

abortion is murder!
the instant the sperm enters the egg another human is made, yes human.
people say women's rights, what about the baby's rights?
there is no punishment on this earth great enough for anyone that KILLS a baby!

in a few extreme cases abortion may be an option.
if the doctor says this baby will kill you, then the parents should decide what to do.

that's what the doctors told my mother when she was carrying me.
she prayed to god for a MIRACLE and here i am.
i was born way over due weighing 11 pounds.

[rockytriton]

jesus dude, stop the trolling already! Let's not start another idiotic flame war like this one. Please be responsible and delete the thread.

[goku]

all that is necassary for evil to succed is for good people to do nothing.
ignore the problem and it will go away?

[Biochemist]

Although I recognize the import of this topic, this is a very volatile subject to carry on a science site. Please be careful asserting strong opinions as dogma. Unless you are really willing to engage in active debate about the complexity of the moral framework, I suggest you not initiate this kind of discussion.

[C1ay]

I think a more reasonable, non inflammatory thread title like "When does life begin" would be more appropriate in the biology forum. It is a legitimate science question and a legitimate topic for science ask long as it is discussed in that context. A political argument is not appropriate and this thread will be closed if it heads that way.

[Biochemist]

Agreed.

[Kizzi]

I've often thought that until a feotus is aware abortion isn't murder, but I've no idea how long it takes for a feotus to become aware. For all I know, maybe a sperm and egg are aware to a certain extent!

Kizzi

[Edge]

Originally Posted by Kizzi

I've often thought that until a feotus is aware abortion isn't murder, but I've no idea how long it takes for a feotus to become aware. For all I know, maybe a sperm and egg are aware to a certain extent!

Kizzi

When someone kills you while you are sleeping is not murder because you weren't aware?

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by Kizzi

I've often thought that until a feotus is aware abortion isn't murder, but I've no idea how long it takes for a feotus to become aware. For all I know, maybe a sperm and egg are aware to a certain extent!

Murder by definition is the unlawful killing of one person by another. Quite often such a killing even requires malice aforethought to elevate the crime to murder. There is currently no agreement on whether or not a fetus is human or not or at what stage of development. That is why I suggest a biological discussion on stages of development instead of a discussion on abortion that will solve nothing.

[goku]

seems to me that if the fetus is formed from human cells, that would make it human.
we kill plants
we kill germs
we kill animals
we kill each other
but we abort babies? what's wrong with this picture?
i think abortion is a word of convience used to cover what is really happening.