Reality

[Tim_Lou]

hmm,

if some meteors crash with each other in outer space.
they "make" a "sound"

but, there are nearly no particles in the space, (massive)
so, can the sound be heard?

i think most people here are right, reality are made up personally.
think about humans, and other animals, their reality are totally different.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Uncle Martin
In my humble opinion a vibration through a medium can exist independently of a conscious entity perceiving it.

Yes, that is the point I was working on. That reality exists independant of personal perception. It is what it is regardless of what we might THINK it is, or even if nothing is aware of it at all.

Or labeling it as "sound" using language. The vibrational waves emitted by the black hole you mention are just that, waves. Some other intelligent entity may posess the biological equipment to interpret them as "sound", or whatever they choose to call it. We can't see infrared EM waves with our eyes, but they exist, and are just a different frequency than visible light.

We tend to be so anthropomorphic prejudiced that we accept artificial rubrics. Mechanical vibrations exist across an extremely wide range. If we include superstring vibrations, the frequency range becomes almost unfanthomable. But we tend to classify it based on our hearing range.

Same with "light". It is electromagnetic waves. Some small segment of them happens to excite certain cells in our bodies and another set of cells does electrochemical manipulations based on it. But we are sensitive to a very limited fraction of the complete electromagnetic spectrum.

It is obvious that the ranges were selected by Evolutionary processes. With air and water being the primary elements that surround us, and the frequency ranges which are most effecient in each medium out of those energies, it would only be "natural" for species living in these elements to utilize energies in these ranges.

Imagine what a different world it would be if Bill Clinton had asked you what the definition of "is", is.

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[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Tim_Lou
i think most people here are right, reality are made up personally.
think about humans, and other animals, their reality are totally different.

Tim, In human reality 1G is 32.2 ft/sec^2. What is gravity in an animal's reality? Does it vary by animal species? Does it go away if they are not "aware" of it? Rocks can't think. They must not have a reality. Or maybe rocks CAN think in some animal's reality? If two animals are in mortal combat, does each win in their own reality? Loose in the other's? Which reality do WE see of the two other realities? Which dead carcus would we see? Neither? Both?

[Tim_Lou]

thinking about an ant is pretty funny.

an ant will stick in a water drop, thats pretty messed up.
and an ant might get blown off by the air....flying all around the place.

but how do we know how they feel?
yeah, we dont really know...

how do we know if we know how they feel?
arh~ i dont know...

their reality is actually based on our reality...lol
so, its actually our reality.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Tim_Lou
their reality is actually based on our reality...lol
so, its actually our reality.

So is this a reversal in your position Tim?

You had previously specifically posted

Originally posted by: Tim_Lou
think about humans, and other animals, their reality are totally different.

I just want to be clear. You new post contradicts your previous one. So you have changed your mind?

[Tim_Lou]

yes!!!

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Tim_Lou
yes!!!

Thank you for being honest. Not many people are able to admit a mistake and correct it. It shows a superior mind to be able to adapt based on new facts.

[geko]

Reality is what underlies appearances?

If there are no appearances, there is only reality.

Reality appears as it does because of the processing equipment. If the processing equipment was different the appearance of reality would be different.

Animals and humans live in the same reality, it's just that it appears differently to each.

[Tim_Lou]

yes, we all are in the same "ultimate reality"

but we will never get to there...
the ultimate truth can never be known by us.
simply due to our genetic and brain limitation.

so, we dont even know what this "reality" is and it doesnt really exist.

[Tormod]

Originally posted by: OpenMindFive
I think Reality is one of many planes of exsistance. REalitiy is what you make it. I think there are lost of things that are all personal, along with reality. One person's dream is anothers reality and vis versa. I mean, if i live in neverland and eat candy and don't except the world around me, and creat my own world in my head, that becomes my reality. REALITY IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT AND/OR WHAT YOU EXCEPT. So that means if you want cows to fly, they can. But good luck proving it. REality is one of manythings that applys with realativity.

OP5! Long time no see! How are you these days?

Tormod