Astral Projection

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
well, if you do not know me, obviously to belive a religion such as christianity as i do, then you msut also kno that i belive it because it makes sense as well..

NO we don't KNOW that. In fact the reverse is more accurate. We DO know that you INTENTIONALLY accept lies from your Christian leaders. You have said so yourself. Thus we KNOW that you beleive, NOT because it makes sense, but because you WANT to. Even when it DOESN'T make sense. You do not hold "making sense (reason and logic)

so how is that regressing? and if astral projecting is a hallucination, then so is every single sense you have in your entire body, all of them.

This is pure nonsense. There is absolutely no valid connection. All you show is your continued inability to draw valid, reasoned conclusions.

because from all of the reports i ahve read on this, all of your senses are intact, and everything you are seeing is real..

Try reading sources that are not intended to promote this hocus pocus. Try reading SCIENTIFIC sources. You will not find a single Scientific source that validates AP. Not a SINGLE ONE!

i find it odd how people can hallucinate going to a place they've never been to and then they ask someone who has, and it is exactly as they visioned it

It's easy to make false claims. When controlled tests are put in place, these claims go away.

..was that a hallucination as well? plus the fact that i had a dream of the future when i was 6 years old (unfortunately is the only thing i can remember of my past before the age 11) which gave things in greate detail, detail so great, that it even told me that my parents would be divorced in the future...funy, ebcause when i ahd the dream, they were not yet divorced. and that is no hallucination or remembering and making up of thoughts, becaue i can remember 10 minuted before and after the dream, which are highly accurate with hat my family tells me was going on during that time.

Oh man, there is so much in there that needs to be ripped apart. It is like a text book case of how NOT to think. You can't remeber ANYTHING about the 1st 11 years of your life, except a DREAM? OK, ya right! BUT, contrary to THAT claim, you CAN remember 10 mins before and after.

A "DREAM" happens during REM (Rapic Eye Movement) sleep. It indicates a particular phase of sleep which takes a while to get to. While you could ahve been woken up immediately after the dream, you most likely would NOT have been awake 10 min before. From the National Institute of Health web stie:

"The first REM sleep period usually occurs about 70 to 90 minutes after we fall asleep. A complete sleep cycle takes 90 to 110 minutes on average."

As to being "aware" of things that happen while you are "asleep", there is nothing new about our senses continuing to work and absorb stimulous around us while "asleep". If this was not the case, then noises would not wake us up. Alarm clocks would not have been invented.

As to "predicting" parental divorce. Even at a young age of 6, you would notice parental relations. And even if there were no outward signs, the FEAR of it is common in young kids. Either of these would be more than enough for a 6 yrold to have thoughts/ dreams of it. Should it eventually happen, you can easily, falsely assign this coincidence as "prediction".

Just as you can easily "invent" things that did not actually happen. Especially when trying to recall things from that long ago when you were that young. You are probably too young to remember the big fiasco regarding false "reccovered memory". People arrested and jailed for things they never did. The "evidence" was so convincing that innocent poeple were convinced they did things they did not do. Some even plead Guilty! From Science Daily:
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[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: sanctus
Before I say what I think about all this astral projection stuff, I just want to correct freethinker, hair isn't dead cell it's a kind of protein.

From a National Institute of Health site:

Hair Comes From Where?
Whether hair is growing out of your head, arm, or ankle, it all rises out of the skin in the same way. Each hair begins at its hair root, a place beneath the skin where <u>cells</u> band together to form keratin. The root is inside a follicle (say: foll-ick-ul), which is like a small tube in the skin. As the hair begins to grow, it pushes up from the root and out of the follicle, through the skin where it can be seen. Tiny blood vessels at the base of every follicle feed the hair root to keep it growing. But once the hair is at the skin's surface, the <u>cells</u> are no longer alive - the hair you see on every part of your body is <u>dead</u>.
http://www.kidshealth.org/kid/body/hair_nail_SW_p2.html


Now tell me again. WHERE was I WRONG?

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Uncle Martin
Yes, FT has said that. I must admit to the same astral projection experiences myself. More times than I can remember, way back in the sixties. AHHH yes, the sixties.

As they say. "If you remember the '60's, you weren't there."

[CD27]

um, yea, no drugs for me, but yes freethinker, if it doesn't involve my religion, i listen and many times learn from facts. as this particular time, i just learned that astral projection isn't real. i guess those eppisodes i had were just my body falling to sleep and my mind still awake. i guess it kinda scared me or something. as for alexander, well, i've already seen that page. and printed the entire thing out. none of those things even work. but hey, thanks for the info. freethinker, the idea of resting your hair as well, well that's a mind thing. to make you think your body is completely rested, COMPLETELY. well, now that i got one lie off my chest, thanks everybody for your help.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: alexander
In astral projection the conscious mind leaves the physical body and moves into the astral body. The astral body is one of seven subtle bodies we all have.

Seven bodies, three chins? Thanks, that explains the extra weight the scale keeps saying I have. I thought it was from eating too much!

Some people can astral project naturally. Others are afraid to leave the physical body and never are able to astral project. An alternative approach is remote viewing.

NO ONE has EVER been proven to actually have a physical out of body experience EVER!

In astral projection you remain attached to your physical body by a silver "umbilical type" cord. Some people see the cord and others do not.

"Silver threads and golden needles can not mend this heart of mine..."

At least he song is REAL. This other stuff is pure mental masterbation.

Remote Viewing is splitting your consciousness to experiencing events in two or more places at the same time and being aware of all experiences.

As reality is compromised of electromagnetic grid programs - the matrix - remote reviewing is in truth moving your consciousness from one grid to another.

Hahahaha... truly great! Now we find that the "Matrix" is also real. Take the yellow pill Neo!

But you have one part right!

reality is compromised

Yes this type nonsense does SERIOUSLY "compromise" reality.

It is well known that there are government projects involving trained remote viewers used to gain access to top secret information. This involves training but anyone can learn to do it. </p>

The US Military dropped their Remote Viewing research because after 20+ years of research THEY FOUND NOTHING! It was called "Stargate". Information from these tests show exactly what is wrong with media and science interfacing. Intitial researchers were anxious to PROVE RV actually existed. And their intial experiments showed it did. But the research was shown to be bogus, improperly structured, false ooutcomes. The research was rejected, but the rejection was not covered by the media, even though the intitial positive claims were.

Every time the researchers did a test, they found positive outcomes. ANd each time, outside review found the research to be tainted. And each time the previous research was then rejected, but the rejections were NEVER covered by the media.

So it was moved to outside orgs, such as SAIC (my sig other worked for them with a high level security clearance when she lived in CA) . SAIC published some reports showing a positive outcome. It turmed out they referenced the previously rejected research. And so on.

Ultimately in 1995 two independant researchers were called in to review the whole thing. One of them is Ray Hyman. He wrote an article with his results:

The Evidence for Psychic Functioning: Claims vs. Reality

Conclusions

... the claim for the existence of psi, we find that it relies on a handful of experiments that have been shown to have serious weaknesses after undergoing careful scrutiny, and another handful of experiments that have yet to undergo scrutiny or be successfully replicated. What seems clear is that the scientific community is not going to abandon its fundamental ideas about causality, time, and other principles on the basis of a handful of experiments whose findings have yet to be shown to be replicable and lawful.
http://www.csicop.org/si/9603/claims.html

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
um, yea, no drugs for me,

So no sugar? No softdrinks (many have caffine). Asprin? ...

The term "Drugs" is really too broad to have a usable meaning in this regard. But it makes great talking points and headlines!

but yes freethinker, if it doesn't involve my religion, i listen and many times learn from facts.

Ya gotta love it! Intentional ignorance involving the single most important decision you can make in your life, how to base your live's world view, and you INTENTIONALLY ignore FACTS when making it. And your PROUD of it!

And further I have to ask, as a Christian (since you claim to be THE person to know who is and how is NOT a Christian) , what part of your life does NOT involve Christianity.

as this particular time, i just learned that astral projection isn't real.

Very good CD, you show an ability Tim has yet to show consistantly, the ability to admit error and reject things when factual info is presented.

STOP DRAWING THE LINE at religion.

freethinker, the idea of resting your hair as well, well that's a mind thing. to make you think your body is completely rested, COMPLETELY. well, now that i got one lie off my chest, thanks everybody for your help.

I have had Alpha Training, Trancendental Meditation, Yoga and many other meditational techniques. Such processes are good tricks. The hair thing just shows how bogus the mumbo jumbo surrounding it is.

[CD27]

freethinker, with as much intelligence as you have, i find it hard to belive that you would not understand what i was talkign about. drug's as in marajuanna, cocain, LSD, things of that nature. i can't take aspirin anyways, it makes me sick. things that help me get well from a sickness or something, yea, i'll take them. if it's a past drug that used to be banned for some reason, even pot, some people say that helps you instead of hurts you, i tend to not see how breathing smoke into your lungs actually helps you. but yea, i know you knew exectly what i meant by drugs freethinker. btw, thanks for clearing all that up for me, it has realy helped. but what i find most odd about y dream is that it was based inside a house i had never seen before in my entire life, in fact, it was brand new, just made before we moved in it, but i was in the dream. i could see my entire family, my three brothers, and my mom, but my dad was simply not in the dream. that didn't give me any hints that they were gonna divorce until AFTER the divorce actually happened. then the freeky part happened when we moved into that house. think about how scared i was then.

no part of my life does not involve christianity. i revolve around it, and of course, i don't care what the "facts" are, i will not leave it, no matter what. anyways, let's dol us allk a favor, please jsut stop tlaking about me and my religion. if you don't like it, oh well, i have not brought it up until you guys did, and i'd like it to be dropped, if you will. i am asking you.

[sanctus]

Originally posted by: Freethinker

From a National Institute of Health site:



Hair Comes From Where?

Whether hair is growing out of your head, arm, or ankle, it all rises out of the skin in the same way. Each hair begins at its hair root, a place beneath the skin where <u>cells</u> band together to form keratin. The root is inside a follicle (say: foll-ick-ul), which is like a small tube in the skin. As the hair begins to grow, it pushes up from the root and out of the follicle, through the skin where it can be seen. Tiny blood vessels at the base of every follicle feed the hair root to keep it growing. But once the hair is at the skin's surface, the <u>cells</u> are no longer alive - the hair you see on every part of your body is <u>dead</u>.

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Now tell me again. WHERE was I WRONG?

4th line of:

http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/protein.htm


just after the colagen picture:
http://www.agresearch.co.nz/scied/se...dnaprotein.htm

[CD27]

now that's what i wish people would do for me. instead of just blatently telling me that my findings are all wrong and lies, could it be possible to simply give me the evidence that so clearly proves me wrong? or is it too ahrd to follow your very own remarks?

[Tim_Lou]

perhaps NDE = astral thing??????

shut your nose and month maybe can get you nearly dead....lol (just kidding...)

hmm....
as i read something in the news.
about some immature teens playing some very dangerous stuff. (hong kong stuffs)

these are said as some supernature stuff on the internet, these people just believe in it.

1. hold your breathe
2. someone hit your chest (hm, something to do with the heart). (which makes it worse...)

and you will fall into a dream or something....
somebody actually tried it (in school) and were sent to hospital... (almost to nearly dead lol.... i think he failed to make it to NDE...)

(IT IS SO DANGEROUS, NO ONE SHOULD TRY IT! IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMANDED...)