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In your thought experiment it's only about surviving,
Isn't that the point? Human survival as primary over concern for other species. Be it experimentation to rid HUMAN species of disease to assure survival or food sources.

The thought experiements just allows us to understand the concept of species interaction and biases.


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No, because we have the choice how to survive; in our dayly live it's not just about surviving, it's not only the end that counts also the how (because we have the choice).In your thought experiment there is no choice that minimizes suffering, in real life there is.


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Sundog, there exists something called PET it's the re-use of old plastic bottles and in Switzerland there still exists the tax on glass bottles which you get back if you bring the bottle back.

À part from that change is coming, eventually the Kyoto protocol is ratified by the neccessary % of the worlds surface, for example. Losing hope is no good, it's the last thing one has.


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RE: research on animals for human benefit

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Sundog, there exists something called PET it's the re-use of old plastic bottles and in Switzerland there still exists the tax on glass bottles which you get back if you bring the bottle back.

À part from that change is coming, eventually the Kyoto protocol is ratified by the neccessary % of the worlds surface, for example. Losing hope is no good, it's the last thing one has.
Sanctus,

I'm aware that efforts are being made, and some things "are" being
re-used and recycled. My point was about the difficulty of change.

When we have success in our individual lives, the endorphins flow
and we get that "feel good" factor. This helps us repeat the things
that are good for us. Just as when things go bad, you get the opposite,
so we don't repeat mistakes. We all like to do the things that make us
feel good. So, making changes in our lifestyle "habitual" may be harder
if there's no obvious reward. Harder still if we're giving up some benefit
or luxury.

My posts may seem negative but, I haven't lost hope. I know change
will come. It's just that the more each of us do now, the more can be
saved. We don't have to wait for governments to impose laws to make
a difference.



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