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memory seems to be the 'key' to which opens the gate to the kingdom of time.
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memory seems to be the 'key' to which opens the gate to the kingdom of time.
And just what and/or where is that "kingdom of time"

Language is a curious conveyor of information. It is so inexact that comments entirely void of content can none the less lead people to look for relationships which will defend the statement as rational. And sometimes they even find decent reasons. I can't be against it because without it nothing new would ever be discovered.

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I dunno, being kinda sarcastic really..

The kingdom of time is what came to mind when trying to describe the happenings of the universe from when and if it started to now and beyond. It did and can only happen in 'one' way, from at least our perspective. Without some type of memory, we just find there being a now, so I thought hey, I guess time needs to be held somewhere, so why not add some cool metaphor like a kingdom where time seems to reside.. maybe its our consciousness..

Point is, you seem to need memory to create time.

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Point is, you seem to need memory to create time.
Well, I wouldn't put it that way. I would say you need the concept "time" to make sense of what you think you know and "memory" is just another word for "what you think you know".

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Point is, you seem to need memory to create time.
Since neural activity requires metabolism, it also seems you "need time to create a memory".

The study of consciousness – which is what many approaches to the study of time amount to - seems to generate circular statements like these at every turn. After years of studying the subject using many different approaches – reading much excellent and enjoyable literature in so doing – I’ve concluded that this is because we laden the idea of consciousness with a sort of superstitious, magical meaning not conducive to rational examination. Although conscious processes appear (arguably) to be explainable as physical phenomena, it’s difficult to set aside the belief that there’s still a “ghost” there, when the consciousness we’re referring to is the essence of us.


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Since neural activity requires metabolism
Both "neural activity" and "metabolism" are presumed conclusions of your paradigm and thus cannot be used to justify that paradigm.
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, it also seems you "need time to create a memory".
Once again, this presumes your paradigm is valid: i.e., that the mental image of reality you achieved unconsciously by the time you were two is the correct answer to the question "what is reality?"
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I’ve concluded that this is because we laden the idea of consciousness with a sort of superstitious, magical meaning not conducive to rational examination.
Instead, could it not be that everyone is wasting their time trying to justify the validity of those beliefs they came to at the age of two; essentially they are working from the perspective that all that emotional baggage inherent in that unconsciously achieved mental image of reality acquired when they were a mere child has to be true?

It is a fact that human intelligence is totally isolated from the outside world in the sense that we don't know, a-priori, how any information we have is acquired. The only contact with reality exists via interactions, the real meaning of which simply cannot be known a-priori. Our mental image of the universe is constructed from data received through mechanisms (our senses) which are also part of that image. Any scientist in the world worth his salt should hold it as obvious that one could not possibly model the universe until after some information about that universe were obtained . The fundamental problem with this position is that we cannot possibly model our senses (the fundamental source of that information) until after we have modeled the universe.

Thus, the problem becomes one of constructing a rational model of a totally unknown universe given nothing but a totally undefined stream of data which has been transcribed by a totally undefined process. This is the problem which every human being has solved on an unconscious level by the time they are two. The question is, "is that solution valid?" It should be clear to you that, if you don't know how to solve it, you certainly have no way of analyzing the validity of your solution.

Absolutely every human soul out there (scientist to layman to philosopher) is absolutely ignoring the problem I have just pointed out to you. Intentional or unintentional, ignorance is ignorance whatever the source.

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where does color come from? How did certain colors get assigned to certain frequencies..
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Since neural activity requires metabolism, it also seems you "need time to create a memory".
I hope you realize that "the present" has no temporal extent. There isn't enough time in the present to do anything!

And, gee whiz, under Einstein's theory, it doesn't have any spacial extent either!

These are just the first major errors in the common paradigm.

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These are just the first major errors in the common paradigm.
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Time doesn't really exist

Time doesn't really exist

For "anything" to exist...it has to be "physical". A thing is "physical" if it can effect other "stuff" and be affected by other "stuff".
If "stuff" don't move (relatively)....it does not effect anything and therefore does not exist.

The concept of time is used to describe relative movement.
If you really wanted to...you could remove time from any equation and use relative movement.

please, if you disagree with me. try if you can find faults in my logic.

ps: This is just my working hypotesis.
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