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| Explaining | Closed form solution for P(x) = exp(x) A student at my Mum's work sent this email out and Mum sent it to me thinking I'd know how to solve it. She's sweet, but forgets that it's been more than a decade since I studied maths. So is there anyone at Hypo that can help out with this one? Quote:
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| Exhausted Gondolier | Re: Closed form solution for P(x) = exp(x) Can't give an exact proof without looking back through textbooks but I'd say no, for a polynomial P(x) of finite degree. The only sensible way to treat an equality between the two is by an expansion of the exponential, which is a polynomial of infinite degree. Expanding from 0 is easy: ![]() Now writing the equation as difference equals 0 means altering a finite subset of the series coefficients. There's not a general method for finding the zeros of the new "polynomial" although there certainly is in the case of degree 0 because the equation's original form is trivial to solve. A full proof would be slightly more complicated but I think degree 0 is the only finite one for which there's a solution. ---------------- Who's afraid of the Big Black Hole????? Go Black Hole! W the Black Hole! ![]() ![]() ![]() Hasta que el agujero negro nos traga, siempre! Hypography Forum PITA...... er, Administrator. Last edited by Qfwfq; 09-25-2007 at 04:05 AM. | |
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| Slaying Bad Memes | Re: Closed form solution for P(x) = exp(x) Maybe it depends on what you want the polynomial for. If you're looking for the "zeros" for P(x), then it appears hopeless. But if you just want a polynomial that has nearly the same shape in the region 0 < x < 1, the same area under the curve, the same slope, etc, then a close approximation may be to just take the first m terms of the expansion, for m between 4 and 8. ---------------- Hypography Forums Moderator -- - - - - - What concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people think things are. Epictetus, Greek Philosopher The map is NOT the territory. Korzybski, Polish-American Philosopher | |
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| Exhausted Gondolier | Re: Closed form solution for P(x) = exp(x) Yes Pyro, solving the equation would mean finding the zeros of so I'd say it's hopeless except for brute number crunching.---------------- Who's afraid of the Big Black Hole????? Go Black Hole! W the Black Hole! ![]() ![]() ![]() Hasta que el agujero negro nos traga, siempre! Hypography Forum PITA...... er, Administrator. Last edited by Qfwfq; 09-27-2007 at 01:18 AM. | |
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| Questioning | Re: Closed form solution for P(x) = exp(x) The Lambert W-function, or product log, actually provides a closed form for the solution of this equation in certain instances. Check it out: Lambert W function - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ---------------- "In heaven all the interesting people are missing." --Friedrich Nietzsche | |
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| Exhausted Gondolier | Well I suppose that with:you mean those of the form or even with a bit of manipulation. Even for I don't seem to get Lambert equals a constant, I get:![]() Of course one could always define the Gilbert W-squared function and the Dilbert W-cube function etc. and, for any polinomial P(x), one couild define the Gollywooglesmurfbert function as:![]() and of course in each case you need to know the inverse of the defined function. ---------------- Who's afraid of the Big Black Hole????? Go Black Hole! W the Black Hole! ![]() ![]() ![]() Hasta que el agujero negro nos traga, siempre! Hypography Forum PITA...... er, Administrator. | |
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| Explaining | Re: Closed form solution for P(x) = exp(x) Here's one reply you might be interested in: Quote:
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| Questioning | Re: Closed form solution for P(x) = exp(x) Certain instances, where p(x) = x. For larger degree polynomials, we may be out of luck, unless we use the suggested method of approximating the solution with the mclaurin series for the exponential function. Or a more efficient method, while not exact, would be to use newton's method. Which is certainly plausible, and can be used to good degree of accuracy. ---------------- "In heaven all the interesting people are missing." --Friedrich Nietzsche | |
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