Science Forums
User Name
Password
Science Social Network
home    members    help/rules    who is online    contact   

Go Back   Science Forums > Physical Sciences Forums > Physics and Mathematics
Become a science forums sponsor today
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-09-2007   #1 (permalink)
orbsycli's Avatar
bike


 



Clouds

Are clouds chaotic or fractal or neither or in-between?


----------------
"Rome falls nine times an hour"
Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2007   #2 (permalink)
Buffy's Avatar
Resident Slayer

Hypography Staff Member
Administrator

 



Smile Re: Clouds

Yes!

Moons and Junes and ferris wheels, the dizzy dancing way you feel,
Buffy


----------------
"If you do not agree with anything I say, I'll not only retract it, but deny under oath that I ever said it!"
__________________________________________________ ______________-- Tom Lehrer

"The shrinks diagnosed me a sociopath with paranoid delusions. But they’re just out to get me cause I threatened to kill them."


Forum Administrator
Hypography Science Forums - Science for Boys and Girls! Its not for nothing that we hang out here.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2007   #3 (permalink)
orbsycli's Avatar
bike


 



Re: Clouds

wait....so....
they're all of those things?
does that mean it just depends on how you look at them?


----------------
"Rome falls nine times an hour"
Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2007   #4 (permalink)
Buffy's Avatar
Resident Slayer

Hypography Staff Member
Administrator

 



Re: Clouds

No, they're all those things at once!
  • Fractal equations can describe their overall shapes as well as the convection that goes on within them.
  • The motion of the molecules and droplets of water within them are highly chaotic.
  • The chaos of the elements drive the seemingly ordered image of the whole.
  • The seemingly ordered shapes cannot be predicted because of the underlying chaotic nature of the system.
Ergo, all of the above all at once!

Bows and flows of angel hair and ice cream castles in the air,
Buffy


----------------
"If you do not agree with anything I say, I'll not only retract it, but deny under oath that I ever said it!"
__________________________________________________ ______________-- Tom Lehrer

"The shrinks diagnosed me a sociopath with paranoid delusions. But they’re just out to get me cause I threatened to kill them."


Forum Administrator
Hypography Science Forums - Science for Boys and Girls! Its not for nothing that we hang out here.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2007   #5 (permalink)
orbsycli's Avatar
bike


 



Re: Clouds

ahhh see this is what I figured, but I guess I just wanted to hear you say it. gracias mi amiga.


----------------
"Rome falls nine times an hour"
Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2007   #6 (permalink)
Turtle's Avatar
Kuōn

Platinum Subscription
Sponsor

 
Turtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond repute
 



Arrow Re: Clouds

Quote:
Originally Posted by orbsycli View Post
wait....so....
they're all of those things?
does that mean it just depends on how you look at them?
Yes all those thingys Buffy silver bulleted so sharply. But also, yes it depends on how you look at them. A cloud is a cloud, but I have taken to taking an up-fluff view. If youv'e looked at these already, you can at least look at one again for the first time. I have more where this came from. Cloudy is as cloudy does I hear.



----------------
Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. ~Ambrose Bierce
Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2007   #7 (permalink)
Buffy's Avatar
Resident Slayer

Hypography Staff Member
Administrator

 



Re: Clouds

Gosh, I just *LOVE* the Straight-Up Cam!

But now they only block the sun, they rain and snow on everyone,
Buffy


----------------
"If you do not agree with anything I say, I'll not only retract it, but deny under oath that I ever said it!"
__________________________________________________ ______________-- Tom Lehrer

"The shrinks diagnosed me a sociopath with paranoid delusions. But they’re just out to get me cause I threatened to kill them."


Forum Administrator
Hypography Science Forums - Science for Boys and Girls! Its not for nothing that we hang out here.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2007   #8 (permalink)
Turtle's Avatar
Kuōn

Platinum Subscription
Sponsor

 
Turtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond repute
 



Arrow Re: Clouds

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffy View Post
Gosh, I just *LOVE* the Straight-Up Cam!

But now they only block the sun, they rain and snow on everyone,
Buffy
Thanks Buffy! I need all the encouragement I can get because, as it turns out, the straight-up cam is a lot of work. That is more a reflection on my ability to do work than on the rewards of having it done, and I do think I'm onto treasure.

Fractal treasure Orby! The real stuff. Others have looked at cloud chaos from above recently, and for eons from aside, but few from below and straight up. Here's a neat NASA site I just found: >> http://climate.gsfc.nasa.gov/~cahala...talClouds.html

Well, rather than get all foamy at the mouth for this straight-up looking at bottoms-of-clouds business, I found this a rather extrordinary bit of cloudiness.



----------------
Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. ~Ambrose Bierce

Last edited by Turtle; 12-10-2007 at 12:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2008   #9 (permalink)
Turtle's Avatar
Kuōn

Platinum Subscription
Sponsor

 
Turtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond reputeTurtle has a reputation beyond repute
 



Arrow Re: Clouds

time-lapse New Years Day Sunrise over Y'East (Mt. Hood) Oregon: 1 hour 20 minutes: ~8:00: looking SE from Washington: forecast, partly cloudy



----------------
Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. ~Ambrose Bierce

Last edited by Turtle; 01-02-2008 at 01:08 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2008   #10 (permalink)
DougF's Avatar
Hypo Contributer

Silver Subscription
Sponsor

 



Lightbulb Re: Clouds

I found this vidio that some wild looking clouds, what would cause this formation.



----------------
There are many things to be shared with the Four Colors of humanity in our common destiny as one with our Mother the Earth. It is this sharing that must be considered with great care by the Elders and the medicine people who carry the Sacred Trusts, so that no harm may come to people through ignorance and misuse of these powerful forces.

Resolution of the Fifth Annual Meetings of the Traditional Elders Circle, 1980
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
atmosphere, clouds, contrails, weather


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NASA Satellite Captures First View of 'Night-Shining' Clouds C1ay General Science News 1 07-01-2007 10:17 PM
Clouds Come from Deep Space Too erich Astronomy and Cosmology 30 11-08-2006 08:36 PM
Rare high-altitude clouds found on Mars C1ay Astronomy news 0 08-28-2006 04:50 AM
obscured by clouds deamonstar Astronomy and Cosmology 0 08-10-2003 06:00 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:52 AM.

Hypography?

Hypography [n.]: A combination of "hyperlink" and "bibliography" - ie, a list of links to electronic documents. Comparable to discography and bibliography, but not cartography.

We have been online since May 2000, and aim to be the best place to find and share science-related content of all kinds.

Share the love!

Please add more science to your life. Use our RSS feeds on your blog, your portal, or your favorite feedreader!

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc. Copyright © 2000-2008 Hypography
Part of the Hypography - Science for Everyone Network