[Tormod]

Originally posted by: alexander
there have been numerous occasions where it has been documented throughout the history of earthquakes (like the one that happenned in Greece before the fall of the oracle). Numerous scources told a story of all rats and snakes leaving the town of Delphi, dogs going crazy and biting through the ropes only to never be seen again, lights in the sky, and sounds of wind in the middle of the knight without a breeze. Researchers couldnt explain the fenomena and thus didnt believe that it happened. It wasnt untill recently that they could explain it. The earthquake shook up greece once again recently, and once again there were rats running across the road, dogs and cats going crazy, lights in the sky and sound in the standstill air...

I read the same thing about the eruption of Vesuvius in AD 79, that the quakes prior to the eruption caused animals to run away before the big event.

Sorry guys i have to run, ill try to continue this when i come back today, hopefully...

Always good to see you, alexander.

[alexander]

Sorry if you had to wait for so long for a continuation of my response, mu absense was in part due to my computer's memory failure that i had to diagnose and fix, but it's working fine for now, so ill try to continue my line of thought from a previous post.
Ok, as i was saying "The earthquake shook up greece once again recently, and once again there were rats running across the road, dogs and cats going crazy, lights in the sky and sound in the standstill air..."
similar reports have come in from other big earthquakes, namely the one that happened in 2003 in the Xinjiang region of China destroying over 10,000 homes. Researchers have been perplexed with the strange phenomena occuring around time of these earthquakes. A researching station positioned in the Mediterranian off of Balkan Peninsula recorded sudden temperature spikes of the sea bed occuring every few hours prior to the earthquake and water bubbling (actually they said that at first they thought that the sea was boiling) and strange lights in the sky just before the quake struck. A few theories have come out: one states that gas that lies deep underneeth the ground and was gradually released by the tectonic activity prior to the quake was to blame for everything, others said that even though gas explains some phenomena, it does not explain the animal behavior, so they added the possible low frequency sound emmited by the plate activity that was unheard by mans ear, but would drive the animals crazy. Again, many more theories, some incorporating the piezoelectric propperties of the minerals lying within the earths crust making electrical discharges that lit the gas escaping from crust making the sky light up in different colors.
Actually i think the program was on the history channel, also not all that i said appeared in it, well most of the stuff on the earthquake did, but i also researched a little on the subject, consulted with the encyclopedia and read a few theories in a couple of books in the library a few months back on the subject, because i accidently came across them.

Always good to see you, alexander.

Thanks Tormod!

[FrankM]

There is a lot of research going concerning earthquakes effects other than the physical displacement
of the ground. The following has a 2001 date. (17K)

Ground-Atmosphere-Ionosphere

This one is more comprehensive with a 2003 date. (556K)

Rocks that Sparkle

The above report addresses biological effects on animals and humans. This helps to identify where
folklore and scientific explanations are merging.

Added 9-2-2004
The meeting in Taiwan commemorating the 1999 Chi Chi earthquake will be September 8th. The article
by Dr. Freund and others will be presented at this meeting and hopefully it will be posted shortly
thereafter. The laboratory tests on the two rock types, denoted earlier, reveal how they briefly become
p-type semiconductors.

Chi Chi

[FrankM]

Electrical output from rock that is not a function of piezoelectricity is discussed in the report at the URL
below. I do not belief this is going to be the permanent location for the report, FF_iSTEP_2004.pdf, so
save it for your own reference.

FF_iSTEP_2004

[FrankM]

The reference to animal behavior was in my post of 08-18-2004 07:56 AM.

I made a statement earlier about earthquake ionosphere research in my post of 08/11/2004 01:01 PM

Although the pre-quake "emanations" created an unusual signature in the ionosphere, I cannot find any references that this phenomena is being actively researched.

I have found that some very serious research is being conducted in the above area using a satellite.

http//smsc.cnes.fr/DEMETER/GP_mission.htm

http//smsc.cnes.fr/DEMETER/GP_actualite.htm

Ionosphere changes are being detected during earthquakes by the satellite.

[jay1923]

Sometimes, in my opinion, the answer is very simple and rudimentary. Perhaps electrical discharge within the atmosphere of an earthquake is mere "pressurization of particles." Obviously if the earth were to shift vertically a few meters, then there would have to be a pressure flux. A global flux of that magnitude would create a great deal of static electricity. This pressure flux could affect a few of the following:
1) An animals inner ear – which would explain animals’ erratic behavior
2) Frontal weather activity – explaining atmospheric discharge (lights/lightning)

Keep in mind that the mantle of the earth is liquid. The pressure of an earthquake is probably dispersed within the atmosphere as well as within the liquid mantle itself. It wouldn’t surprise me is an (high magnitude) earthquake were to spawn a volcanic eruption soon after. At that point, you are talking basic physical reaction.

You have to think of the earth in terms of a (atmosphere) SCUBA tank, and maybe a (mantle) wave machine. Put those 2 together, and I think it would be a lot easier to visualize why things are going to happen globally.

But then again, I never went to college so what do I know...

[alexander]

I dont know about Tormod, but the effects on animals that i was discussing were mostly prequake ones occuring before the movement of the earth, well before major movement of the earth anyways, i think that it could be caused by sounds that could be made by 2 plates under great pressure slipping and rubbing against each other, not exactly an earthquake yet, but enought to produce the sound. The fact that not all animals in all the areas around could be explained by for example canyons or dry river beds or earth indentations of some kinds that would be able to magnify the sound. We would not be able to hear it without special equipment, but animals on the other hand have a way broader hearing range, this stuff going on for a while could drive them crazy or just trigger their instincts to run away because there's going to be an earthquake there soon.

[Turtle]

This may all relate to claims of UFO/strange light sitings ove Mt. Adams in Washington State over the last several years. I have mined in the area for more than a decade & the geology is certainly rich enough to produce piezo-electric effects on a large scale.

[FrankM]

When I started this thread I thought that the piezoelectric effect was the cause for "earth currents", but after broaching the subject on more than one forum I got an education in what is going on in the earth sciences. It has been demonstrated in laboratory tests that the primary mechanism for "earth currents" is not piezoelectric but due to positive charge carriers, ie: rock exhibits semi-conductor characteristics under pressure.

http://www.elfrad.com/FF_iSTEP_2004.pdf

The massive release of positive charge carriers creates a large earth surface charge that is positive relative to the ionosphere, just opposite the normal condition. The DEMETER satellite is now detecting this change in the ionosphere over earthquakes, plus detecting the electromagnetic pulse generated by the earth current.

http://smsc.cnes.fr/DEMETER/

Active seismic areas are emitting constant non-periodic signals that are being detected as a "hiss" by the satellite. The satellite has plotted this "hiss" and it maps the earths seismic regions.

http://smsc.cnes.fr/DEMETER/GP_actualite.htm

The massive charge sheet created during an earthquake creates earth-air potentials that can help explain some of the "unusual atmospheric phenomena" that is sometimes seen in association with earthquakes.

[IrishEyes]

It's nice to see you back again, Frank. Please feel free to share more of what you've learned. We're always happy to get an education in new subjects...