[Turtle]

While doing some morning reading I ran across an article related to electricity & earthquakes at Wired. (the article is at wired; not the quakes )
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...osts.html?pg=3

Originally Posted by Wired

"This rock is basically a battery," Friedemann Freund says, tapping a 3-foot chunk of granite. To demonstrate his point, he's placed the rock in a refrigerator-sized steel press and attached wires to copper electrodes on either end. The touch of a button drops 20,000 pounds of pressure on the block, sending a few nanoamps of current through the wires.

[FrankM]

There is a controversy between traditional geophysicists and those researchers investigating the "electrical charge" phenomena detected before and during earthquakes. One of the issues is the infrared (IR) emissions detected by earth satellites before earthquakes. Traditional geophysicists keep using the term "earth heating up" and argue that the "IR studies (including NASA satellite-based studies) are not credible and must be flawed since the temperature deviations are not explainable."

A paper has been submitted to eEarth, a new (electronic plus peer review) journal of the European Geoscience Union which describes how IR emissions have been detected at the surface of rock stressed in laboratory tests. The abstract noted the various spectrum changes in the IR emissions as loading increased but there was no actual surface heating. The abstract gave this conclusion:

We propose that the observed narrow IR emission bands arise from vibrationally excited O-O stretching modes which form when p-hole charge carriers (activated in the stressed rock) spread into the unstressed portion of the rock to the surface, where they recombine and radiatively decay. The effect, stimulated IR emission due to hole-hole recombination, may help understand the enhanced IR emission seen in night-time satellite images of the land surface before major earthquakes known as "thermal anomalies".

We know that "something" is responsible for producing what are termed "earthquake lights", in the visual range, and it is reasonable to suggest that this same "something" can be manifested in IR emissions also.

The various satellites convert their detected IR emissions to a "heat scale" before transmitting the information to earth, thus making it appear that the earth is heating up. To avoid the lumped "heat scale" it will be necessary to build equipment that will record and transmit information about the various IR emission bands observed before earthquakes.

Traditional geophysicists refuse to accept that individuals outside of their specialty could possibly know anything about earthquake phenomena. They are unable to grasp the implication of IR emissions being created without the "earth heating up".

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by FrankM

A paper has been submitted to eEarth, a new (electronic plus peer review) journal of the European Geoscience Union which describes how IR emissions have been detected at the surface of rock stressed in laboratory tests. The abstract noted the various spectrum changes in the IR emissions as loading increased but there was no actual surface heating. The abstract gave this conclusion:
We know that "something" is responsible for producing what are termed "earthquake lights", in the visual range, and it is reasonable to suggest that this same "something" can be manifested in IR emissions also.

...
Traditional geophysicists refuse to accept that individuals outside of their specialty could possibly know anything about earthquake phenomena. They are unable to grasp the implication of IR emissions being created without the "earth heating up".

Is that paper published now?
Are you doing any active research Frank, or have some plans in the pipe?
I keep thinking I may try & make my own field mill, but without a computer to record data it seems a bit of a futile venture. Do you have a field mill & use it? Do you have others interested in this?
Do you think landbased FLIR units can record the IR changes?
A lot more comes to mind, but this suffices for now.

[FrankM]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Is that paper published now?
Are you doing any active research Frank, or have some plans in the pipe?
I keep thinking I may try & make my own field mill, but without a computer to record data it seems a bit of a futile venture. Do you have a field mill & use it? Do you have others interested in this?
Do you think landbased FLIR units can record the IR changes?
A lot more comes to mind, but this suffices for now.

I haven't heard whether the paper has been published yet. I tried to check the website of eEarth for evidence of publication but I do not know where to find it on that site.

http://www.copernicus.org/EGU/ee

As far as recording data from a field mill, the usual method is with an analog to digital converter, and data snapshots are recorded on a computer. I read that computer sound cards are being used very effectively as A-to-D devices in some applications.

I doubt if a FLIR that is immersed in the environment it is trying to measure would detect a change. The issues are the rise time of the incident IR emission and the extent of the area affected and whether it is sharply defined. The satellites are detecting the IR emissions from a rather large area. Others are interested in the causes of the IR emissions and have reported on them, which is why I know about them.

I do not have a field mill, although I wish I had one sometimes.

[Turtle]

Hey Frank. Checking in. Say I noticed a spate of UFO reports this past week or so in the mainstream press and started thinking of you. Have you looked into any correlation to UFO sightings and earthquakes or earthquake lights? If not, what do you think of the idea?

[FrankM]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Hey Frank. Checking in. Say I noticed a spate of UFO reports this past week or so in the mainstream press and started thinking of you. Have you looked into any correlation to UFO sightings and earthquakes or earthquake lights? If not, what do you think of the idea?

Earthquake "lights" are the result of ionization of the air over a seismic event, this caused by the massive current generated by that event. We only see the earthquake lights when the ionization is such that it generates visible light. Lesser seismic events could produce ionization products that would be visible in the infrared and ultraviolet regions, but we don't carry these type detectors around with us all the time. The infrared and ultraviolet ionization products would be visible before and during a big seismic event, but who is looking?

Power companies use infrared and ultraviolet detectors to identify ionization breakdown occurring at HV power insulators before they become so severe they are visible (usually indicating an insulator fault and pending short).

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by FrankM

There is a controversy between traditional geophysicists and those researchers investigating the "electrical charge" phenomena detected before and during earthquakes. ...

Thought you might enjoy this Frank. >>
forgetomori » Earthlights on Peru’s Earthquake?

Originally Posted by forgetomori

According to El Comercio from Peru,

“During the night … before and after the stron earthquake, neighbours from the districts of Miraflores, La Molina and Cercado de Lima assured having seen the sky light up because of an unexpected lightning in the middle of the night. Nevertheless, the National Hydrology and Meteorology told El Comercio that it didn’t detect any anomaly in Lima’s skies, and assured that this phenomenon could have been caused by the light of a beacon or some spinning panels that exist in the city”.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by FrankM

There is a controversy between traditional geophysicists and those researchers investigating the "electrical charge" phenomena detected before and during earthquakes. ...

Hey Frank! Check this out; This device looks much simpler to build and use than the field mill. >>


Joe Tate: Ambient Power Module

Originally Posted by JoeTate

...On April 24, 1984, a 6.0 magnitude earthquake struck about 90 miles from the APM recording station in Sausalito. Days later, while looking through the data, I noticed that the APM output dropped to less than half its normal value for several hours during the afternoon 6 days before the earthquake (Figure 2) [Not shown] this was very peculiar, because most of the APM's power came from broadcast signals, and broadcasting stations hadn't done anything different that afternoon. Apparently something had temporarily depressed the propagation of radio waves. At high frequencies, such effects can be caused by atmospheric conditions. But the lower frequencies involved here are hardly affected, particularly not the signals from the nearest stations, which account for most of the power received. It was tempting to think this strange radio depression might somehow have been a precursor to the earthquake.

Joe Tates Ambient Power Module Joe Tate: Ambient Power Module

[rockytriton]

Originally Posted by Freethinker

Yes very interesting. Is there any potential for utilizing this energy source for power consumption? Google shows a Piezoelectric effect for fault lines/ earthquakes. And using these effects for predicting them. What about using such energy sources for generating usable power? Would seem polution free.

I would love to get a hold of an earthquake powered car!

[FrankM]

[quote=Turtle;195740]Hey Frank! Check this out; This device looks much simpler to build and use than the field mill. >>

The disruption of radio propagation prior to major earthquakes has been noted as far back as the 1960s. The APM device will be influenced by propagation disruptions that are hundreds of miles away and they can be in any direction. A field mill will detect the differential potential in-line with the direction of the vane aperture, the local potential. A field mill sitting vertically will detect the difference between where the device is sitting and the atmosphere above it.

Below is an abstract of Friedemann Freund's work prepared by someone else.

IEEE Spectrum: Early Warning For Earthquakes

I was unable to download the full article from IEEE. Any IEEE members here?