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Speed of light...instantatious Travel??

Judging by the fact that no one has responded, I have either said something really stupid, or really smart.
9 times out of 10, the stupid response seems to be the one that i say.... someone let me know!
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well syndicated...maybe you do not really understand what length contraction means.
For example, object A is moving at a very high speed and let's asumme his time dilation factor is 7. If he travels over the distance of 7 000 000 000km, time dilation says he would only experience 1/7 of the time past right? So does that mean he only travels 1000000000km? No, it does not. The person himself would only ObSERVE that he travelled only 1 000 000 000km, but in actual fact, he has travelled 7 times that amount.
So if one were to travel at the speed of light, let's say he travels for 50 light years, 50 years would have past outside the spaceship, but he would have only observed a moment. Similarily, the ship actually takes time to travel, but the passenger does not observe that time passing. Get it?? He actually takes that time to travel, but he does not notice it.
Sorry if i'm not very clear.
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syndicated,

sorry that you didn't get an answer...it was Easter weekend and I'm sure people were a bit busy.

Here's a link to a simple page with a nice illustration showing length contraction:

http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssc...pecrel/lc.html

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Time is only relvent to the observer! If you see something moving at the speed of light YOU will think it is instantaneous, if you were deaf then you would think that the speed of sound was instantaneous too! A light year is how far it light TRAVELS in ONE YEAR. So you would be traveling very very fast but it will take TIME to get there.
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well said! That was exactly what I have been trying to say
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my first post ...

i've been reading these forums off and on with a lot of interest and finally have two quick questions to ask ... (please pardon my ignorance of physics etc)

- If I were moving at the speed of light through deep space or whatever, would I get squished into a near-2D line? Would I survive?

- Aren't galaxies receding from each other at the speed of light suggesting that they are all moving at the speed of light? If so aren't we all already moving at the speed of light? How does the relativity theory explain this?

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alternative3, welcome to our forums!

As for question 1, I don't have an answer at hand.

But question 2 is interesting. Where did you read that galaxies receed from each other at the speed of light? Think about it: if all the galaxies are moving away from each other at the speed of light, would we ever see light coming from _any_ galaxy?

Galaxies do not move at relativistic speeds (meaning speeds close to that of light). Some galaxies are even moving towards us. You can read more about the speed of galaxies here:
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fatty_ashy "Erm, I was wondering if travelling at the speed of light actually means instant travel."

alternative-3 "- If I were moving at the speed of light through deep space or whatever, would I get squished into a near-2D line? Would I survive?"

1. You cannot move at the speed of light as long as you have mass, because as you approach the speed of light, your mass increases and the energy requred to accelerate you faster increases.

2. As you approach the speed of light your mass approaches an infinite mass. This is how it appears to an observer outside your inertial frame (at rest).

3. Your dimension in the direction of travel also appears to contract by any measurements made by such an observer. For non-relativistic speeds this contraction is very small.

The formula for the Lorenz contraction is: L = L'*sqrt(1-v2/c2) where L is the length measured by the observer and L' and v are the length measured by the subject, and the subjects velocity measured by the observer. You can see that L and L' are nearly equal unless v approaches a significant fraction of c (which is the speed of light.)

4. Time appears to slow down to an observer at rest relative to you also.

The formula for time contraction is: t' = t*sqrt(1-v2/c2), where t' is the observers time, t and v are the subjects time and velocity relative to the observer. You can see that unless v approaches a significant fraction of c (the speed of light) there is very little difference between t' and t.

5. You notice none of these things until you return from your trip. On your return, we will disagree on how long you were gone. Our time measurements of your trip will differ by a certain amount, depending on how fast you traveled and how far. And both of us will be correct.

6. If you could travel at the speed of light, it would appear instantaneous to you in your inertial frame, because time (for you) would have stopped for the period which you were traveling at the speed of light. But to me, you would appear to have traveled at the speed of light, not instantaneously. This is the opposite of what sardonyx247 said, but (s)he was correct in stating that time is relevant only to the observer. Observers who are in the same inertial frame measure time identically. If the inertial frames differ, then their measures of time also differ. Lucky for us the difference is very small at speeds we are likely to travel at.

7. Fatty_ashey had a question regarding the distance of the trip as it appears to the travelers. This is interesting because their meter-stick would have contracted in the direction of their travel, but because of time dilation, they would also think they had traveled for a shorter time (and they actually did in their inertial frame); but at a higher velocity (their meter-stick has contracted). But when they multiply the time by their measured rate of travel the two effects would cancel out and they would measure the distance of the trip to be the same as an observer in a more or less stationary inertial frame. This is contrary to the conclusion drawn in the second link below. I think the difficulty is because the author is using v as measured by someone outside the inertial frame of the travelers when he should have used v as measured by the travelers. I was wrong once before, this might be the second time. ;-)

(This note added later... There is something inconsistent in my explanation above, and I must admit, I am not sure what the answer is. As you travel at a constant velocity along the route, the route appears to be moving past you at some velocity in the opposite direction, and thus would appear contracted to you. I'm beginning to think that as you travel the route at a relativistic velocity it will actually seem to be a shorter route.)

check these liniks:

http://www.drphysics.com/syllabus/time/time.html
http://www.physics.umass.edu/gemsFol...ionexample.pdf
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Alternative-3, you would survive as long as the accelleration wasn't too great. You would not notice the Lorenz contraction at all. In a Newtonian universe if you accellerated at 1g (9.8 meters/sec/sec - very confortable) it would take 3*10^8 / 9.8 = 30612200 seconds to reach c. Thats about 1 year. And of course after a year you really wouldn't be going that fast because relativistic effects would prevent that.

Guess what! Something does travel faster than the speed of light. (But it has no mass.) At least according to some scientists:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/0....ap/index.html
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has everyone gone fishing? why has nothing been said since july?
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