Speed of light...instantatious Travel??

[Tormod]

Hey purdyboy, welcome -

I guess this thread fizzled out during the summer holidays.

But as you might have seen there are lots of other threads to catch up on...it seems the 5th dimension is all the rage these days.

Tormod

[purdyboy]

Thank you for the welcome. Hopefully I'll be able to get into some heated discussions soon. I'll just wait till the next entry. Then I will unleash.....later people.

[fatty_ashy]

Fishing is a good time to relax your nerves. there is that extra bonus of actually catching fish!! i like salmon. hmmmm....salmon....

[shut_up]

Was wondering. If your at the speed of light how do you slow down?

[Roberto]

As far as we know, in modern physics only massless particles travel at the speed of light and, while they are massless, they remain at this speed. There is the possibility that some massless particles create other particles with mass, but I think it is another effect.

[GAHD]

Well, only light moves at the speed of light, one cannot necessarily say the light is mass-less. Photons do have some minute mass to them, much like electrons have mass but this mass is left unsaid as it's 'close enough' to nothing to not really matter (pardon the pun).

A slightly better way of putting it might be that only mass-less objects (a contradiction, but the universe is full of them) can exceed the speed of light.

@shut_up: <u>IF</u> time-dilation occurs proportionally to speed, once attaining the speed of light you could not slow down until you hit something to rob you of your inertia, you’d be stuck in a moment of time unable to do anything. On the plus, you wouldn’t have to worry about being frozen, you wouldn’t even notice until you slowed-down. On the minus, you would have no real idea how far you had gone, what had affected your direction, or how long you had been frozen.

A problem, well more like uncertainty, is that once the speed of light is attained there is a great deal of debate as to what actually would happen to matter. Many people theorize the matter would break apart at the sub-atomic level due to excessive energy within the atomic structure, while some others theorize the matter would mealy take on similar properties to light itself, acting as both a wave and a particle. A third school of thought theorize that both will occur, the matter will disintegrate into sub-atomic quanta then spontaneously re-integrate into an equal mass of photons and other (theoretical) wave/particles.
Quite the tricky area as most of our data comes from varied, often disputed sources and is largely constructed on a matchstick house of mathematical equations.

[Roberto]

Light has no tiny mass associated to, it is really massless in every physical theory. Concerning this, I recomend the page:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...oton_mass.html

by John Baez.

About the theories of what happens when a body reaches the speed of light, I would like to know the sources from where you´ve got them, because as far as I know, there isn´t the possibility of accelerating till the speed of light in modern physics. Okay, I may be wrong, but first I need to see the sources.

[halogenesis]

I agree. Anything with mass cannot reach the speed of light, but I think the ideas Gahd has posed are more like thought experiments... either way I would be interested to see the sources for these, whether it be websites or books.

[GAHD]

@ Roberto, concerning the subject of photons having mass I recomment this paper:
http://www.physical-congress.spb.ru/...iev/baziev.asp
by D.Kh. Baziev

Now while some of his extrapolations seem a little overzelus even to me, the measured weight change in the sealed experiment does seem to conclude that the exiting photons carry (anti?)mass.
The other conclusions drawn from this experiment are still twisting ther way through my brain.

On a slightly different topic, there is also a paper revising the oft used Hafele-Keating experiment
http://www.physical-congress.spb.ru/...1/spencer1.asp
by Domina Eberle Spencer and Uma Shama

Upon revisiting the fidings of the experiment, they found some rather disturbing inconsistancies with the interpritation of the data. Unfortunatly from what I can gather the hosting site for the image files has gone down, requireing a bit more effort on my part to locate the raw data and compare figures with the data given in this writing.

As to photon mass causing problems with the currenly accepted model of physics, there have been a few papers specifically on the subject where a photon can have mass. On such paper I have found available online:
redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/Pre2001/ V04NO2PDF/V04N2MU2.PDF
by Hector Munera


on the topic of my sources for matter accelerated to a velocity of c, I'll be back with another post for each of those schools of thaught as i can relocate the relevent information.

[wavelength?]

I think the only way to travel at the speed of light is to convert yourself or your spaceship and its entire contents into a wave length, which travels at the speed of light. ALthough this is not possible yet, they are working on it at the area 51 complex! I have done extensive research on the HAARP project which is directly related to the montauk project. Both of these projects experiment with wave lengths and the effects it can have on humanity, the environment and space-time. I am currently reseaching sending electricity via electro-magnetic waves. (wireless electricity)!!!!