Theorys on the 5th dimension

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: ooshna
Hello I am new and I was wondering about something. Since we are 3D beings meaning we can move in the first three dimentions. Could there possible be 4D beings that can move through all 4 dimensions?

It would seem that you do not understand General Relativity. We ARE 4D beings. WE exist in and move thru all four dimensions. We have no choice. Our physical space is a time/space continuum. Time can not be seperated from the 3 locational axis.

Like being able to basicly time travel by moving through the 4th dimension like we move through the 3d?

You say we "move through the 3d". To "move" requires TIME. Thus by the very act of "mov(ing) through the 3d" we "mov(e) through the 4th dimension".

And since we are directly effected by the 4th dimension and aware of it could that mean that a 4th dimensional being be directly effected by the 5th dimention and more aware than we can ever be?

Our current understanding of additional dimensions, such as a 5thD, is based on Super String Theory. As such the extra dimensions are extremely small and circular. sub-atomic size. NOT something we could "move through".

[Freethinker]

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[Freethinker]

5th dimension was a singing group?

[DocRabbit]

Perhaps I may get flamed for stating this theory, hopefully not. We all know 3d exists, it is around us all the time. Time, we know this to be the 4th dimension. A perfectly still object can be measured in time. We perceived it 5 minutes ago and now we perceive it this instant, yet something is different, time. I am stating the obvious here just to lead up to the 5th. Perhaps the 5th dimension is closer than we think and farther than we can imagine.

Take the individual atom, its contents, protons, neutrons, electron cloud. Everything consists of these basic structures, yet there is what we call 'empty space' in each and every one of them. Scientists simply accept 'empty space' as an area void of any particles, what I will call the 'nothingness'. Perhaps, if you think like me, and I must admit I may be totally and absolutely wrong, but the idea on nothingness seems absolutely improbable, yet there it is, or is it?

Take for example, that maybe this nothingness, is really somethingness, only at another point along the 5th dimensional 'axis'. We can state that yours,mine, and everyone in what we know as the universe's position along this axis to be say, point d=1. At another point, say point d=2, at that point along the 5th dimension, what in our world, d=1, is nothingness, there is a particle, and where there is nothingness at point d=2, in our world is particle. Most people I guess would call this alternate universe theory, and I was wondering if anyone knows of any other theories based on this idea or am I just out on the preverbial limb on this.

This was just an idea I came up with when working on 5 dimensional arrays one day.

[erKa]

If we are talking abut sensible dimensions (f.e. spins of quarks are physically recognized but not sensible dimensions in our common space) the 5 th dimension is the rest-mass of large bodies astronomically moving in the outer space. Length=1, width=2, height=3, time=4, mass=5. They are all linked one to each other by mean of Einstein's "shrinked theory of relativity".These are 5 sensible dimensions of Astronomical Continuum. But counting also the allowed dimensions of the small space inside the atom, actually there are 11 known dimensions.

[TeleMad]

Erka: But counting also the allowed dimensions of the small space inside the atom, actually there are 11 known dimensions.

No, according to some theories there could be 11 dimensions.

Erka: If we are talking abut sensible dimensions (f.e. spins of quarks are physically recognized but not sensible dimensions in our common space) the 5 th dimension is the rest-mass of large bodies astronomically moving in the outer space. Length=1, width=2, height=3, time=4, mass=5.

Can you provide references for mass being a fifth dimension.

[jcole45]

The idea of dimensions is a tool created by humans to better understand the universe. The fifth dimension could really be anything that exponentially expands on the previous dimension and thus fits the definition of a dimension. Maybe the fifth dimension could be "thought," sure, that could be considered an exponential expansion of time. The fifth dimension is whatever the science community decides it is. What is the next Crayola color?

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by jcole45

The idea of dimensions is a tool created by humans to better understand the universe.

Welcome to our forums!

It would be a good idea to read our FAQ first - and perhaps also the entire thread you're replying to, since it's been a long while since it was active.

What do you base your claim about dimensions on?

[maddog]

Originally Posted by Tormod

@dent - since the chronology protection conjecture is just a figment of Stephen Hawking's imagination I wonder if there is any point in agreeing to it. If it is real, there is no way to prove it (because we would never be able to build a time machine to disprove it!).

Tormod

What if such a time machine already exists that we can already use and don't realize it.
Consider what if thought themselves are made of a substance that is superluminal in
nature (tachyonic). Suppose there could be a mechanism in QED whereby current
visible particles could interact with these tachyonic particles, say like or with virtual
particles. By doing so this would not violate causality. If this were the case then
dreaming we could imagine ourselves traveling to another time and actually go there.
Just an imaginative conjecture... What if...

Maddog

[maddog]

I have already posted elsewhere of the Kaluza-Klien theory that was reviewed by
Einstein in 1915. Basically, this is a merging Maxwell's EM equations and Einstein's GR.
This was done by adding to Einstein's notion of a 4D spacetime a 5th dimension that
was rolled up and made very small. This small invisible dimension gave the universe
the property of charge for particles with mass (not all). Einstein was impressed and
recommended it for publication. I forget which German journal it got published in that
year. Do a google search and/or look it up at your local university library (or both).

Maddog