Theorys on the 5th dimension

[littleray]

I still don't like the concept of a folderable three dimensional space.

if a three dimensional space that can be curved so much that it fold itself together. Lets said a piece of paper folded itself. The piece of paper thinken. If this happen, this mean there are two 2D spatial space joints together, which makes it 3D.

For 3D spatial, this mean that it will create a 4D spatial area as a meeting point of the same 3D spatial plane.


But, it has a less possiblity for our flat universe to fold itself than having dense object from our universe that pull another object from a different plane of 3D spatial, so it becomes a joint of 2 different 3D spatial.

I mean that is all those talk of dark matter that creates extra weight of Universe and curve of the universe. Wouldn't it be more likely that those affect be created by "near by" (4D sense) 3D spatial object.

[BennyG]

speaking of dimensions as we use them ,are most not perceptual therefore there may only be one dimension and that is mind .

[Tormod]

@littleray,

What do you mean, you don't like 3D space being foldable? It obviously is foldable...but energy is required to fold it.

The 2D sheet of paper never folds itself, it is being folded by something (for example, by me).

3D space is folded in the same way. Usually the term "curved" is more commen. Observe, for example, how light is bent as it passes close to a star - because gravity forces it to change course.

I don't think this is a matter of liking it or not...

Tormod

[iamno]

People talk of what they see with their minds in relation to space and time being the five dimensions, is the mind itself not another dimension? We cant see it yet we know its there, never being governed by any other dimension ITS ALL JUST AN ILLUSION

[iamno]

NICE ONE BENNY G

[littleray]

I understand that there is a chance for 3D space being folded due to gravity pull.

Yet, if the gravity pull and energy is so great, shouldn't it pull the closest thing to it. Which is object that is right next to it in the forth dimension.

Unless you are saying that there are no interaction between different planes of 3D planes. (Is there interaction between different instance 3rd Dimension plane? The interaction beween 3rd dimension plane...doesn't that make each interaction a 4D event. Just like Multiple instance 2D plane interacte with each, the point of interaction or alignment usually becomes 3D.

There were new research finding on Universe being folded.
I mean since, the Universe we know now is 3D and we assumes it to be folded...Shouldn't that makes a 4D universe. Then...again when we picture the Folded Universe...we were suppose to picture as a flat universe....

If lets a say the flat universe is so flat, when compare to the rest of "none universe", It almost becomes an instance of 2D plane. Once this 2D plane folded itself, it comes a 3D sphere...This just basically saying the Universe is round and sphere. yet It's orgine of Big Bang is on the space of the 2D flat Universe and expand out ward to form a flat Universe, which folded itself and form a joint instance of Flat universe....which is an 4D universe....

So, We lives in a 3D universe, which there is an instant of 4D plane somewhere, when the 3D flat univese curves up.


I really think Dimension theory should be really 1+1=2 and shouldn't apply to real Universe Visual projection.

I am real confuse now.

Anyone who can help me to picture a 3D Universe curve up, please. It will really ease my painful little head.

[littleray]

@iamno

The problem with mind as dimension is not yet in a very good way of being represented in maths notation.

I mean in maths you can declare absoulte emptiness....somehow...

In your mind, you can not. In the mind, it needs to picture either an instance of content, or instance of the content's container. Or both.

I think that's why the mind is mention in the Physics and Mathematics forum here, where we talk about dimension.

ermm...I think...:

[Tormod]

little ray - I don't understand what you are trying to say. Either it is way above my head or it is because I am totally stuffed because of a cold...

Tormod

[the transient]

Regarding the concept of 5th dimensionality. When imagining the first dimension, we have a point, or a complete vacuum. The "point" (when envisioned as a linear smear, like a tracer) becomes a line, a length, which envisioned from different angles would also be height= 2 dimensionality. Adding one more dimension creates an axis, which implies volumetric space= the third dimension. At this phase there is no such force as time interactions, there is only potential. The instant there is a particle in this space the potential for entropic interaction increases, but would still, hypothetically be unable to take place until the acting of a second particle occured (luckily particles are encountered in pairs). It is only through these relativistic interactions that any sense of time could start to be measured. Appreciably then, the acting of particles on one another in a space by the force of a vacuum is the 4th dimension of time. There is ,arguably, another dimension of reality not apparently deducible by the rest. An interesting conceptual quality of dimensional thinking is that none of the dimensions can be deduced by their prior dimensions except in hindsight. Once seen from the benefit of hindsight, all the dimensions seem to logically correlate in logically more complex synthetic envisionments, they all seem to lead to each other successively. And it also seems you can't really skip a conceptual step and still get the necassary correlation. Anyway, our subjective, arbitrary senses are the 5th construct of reality comprehension. It is the ever-so insubstantial realm of limited perceptions, memory-reality enhancement, and non-linear dream\hallucination states that could be called the 5th dimension, and it only exists as long as there are somewhat sophisticated neural configurations to spur it. The laws that govern the airy realm of (specifically) human perceptual and memory processes can be likened to a controlled illusion that is constantly endeavoring to derive itself from the other dimensional concepts, obviously showing its estrangement from them. So then, a perception-device capable of storing its data comprising of delusional biases regarding the constant entropic interaction of force acting on matter due to a vacuous attractor is the "sense" of time's passage, or the 5th dimension. There are, of course, other viable dimensional concepts that may exist as subconstructs of the first 4 dimensions, but not the fifth. Thus you could say there are 3 outer dimensional concepts, then a fourth dimensional concept of forces interacting within the first three, and finally the inner dimension which consists of the awareness of the other four, which gives rise to non-linear thinking or equations that could only happen in a symbolic oriented dimension not bound by the observational restrictions of known reality.

[longbench]

The way i think of each dimension is the 1st dimension is just a line. The 2nd dimension is where the line is placed in a plane. The 3rd dimension is where the 2nd demesion is placed in a depth perseptive view. The 4th demension would defenitly be time because it shows where the 3rd demension is. The 3rd demension can be now in the past or the future. So, if you follow the pattern then the 5th demension would be where our demension of time is places. If you were in the 5th demension the you would be able to go to different "times".