electromagnetic motor

[Moontanman]

Come on guys, hasn't this strayed a ways from the original thread?

[alexander]

I see, i should have clarified it, as i can see, i am already getting bad rep for this, and it doesn't even matter from whom, but ok, i need to clarify my view point

I am not out to disprove that point, actually i am really interested in this motor, its one of very few that actually go more then 1mph per cc, it's actually pretty rare. I'll give you an example, a yamaha banshee, until this year, the fastest quad out of the box, at 350cc displacement (2 stroke) only managed 75 mph, a kx110 will do 60, this pit bike i used to have would do about 55 at 85cc displacement, it's pretty rare to see something that will do more then 1mph per cc. Yeah the alcohol racing carts are frigging amazing, i drove one, and it was before my wrenching time, but it was really fast for being so small and light. So my criticism is only driven by desire to merely ask to verify the validity of the statement, and it may very easily be true.

Btw, high comp pistons means that they increased the stroke, perhaps inderectly, but most certainly, otherwise how do you increase compression

I now wonder about the efficiency of the alcohol motor, i know they burn cooler, and i know they pollute less, i wonder just how clean you can get it to burn, and how much power you can use to produce electricity.... from a relatively small motor....

Brain is churning something, tis thinking and tinkering with stuff gotta stimulate it with some knowledge or something, some future car ideas

i gotta work on some pictures from sunday, i'll post some in the motorcycles group in a little bit

[alexander]

Come on guys, hasn't this strayed a ways from the original thread?

well sort of, since the original question pertained to regenerating energy from electric drive trains, it has sparked a discussion on hybrid car design, and the fossil-fuel engine is a big part of such a car, the more efficient the engine, the better use of the chemical bond energy you are able to use, so this discussion about transmissions, engines, etc are all a part of the bigger picture....

It's all pondering, its talking about these random tangents that sometimes weilds the most amazing discoveries... (just a thought)

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by alexander

well sort of, since the original question pertained to regenerating energy from electric drive trains, it has sparked a discussion on hybrid car design, and the fossil-fuel engine is a big part of such a car, the more efficient the engine, the better use of the chemical bond energy you are able to use, so this discussion about transmissions, engines, etc are all a part of the bigger picture....

It's all pondering, its talking about these random tangents that sometimes weilds the most amazing discoveries... (just a thought)

I don't think electric drive trains were part of the original question, Ryan must have given up completely, but I do look forward to more Motorcycle posts in the club

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

What if motion fueled an automobile? At first fuel would turn the motor but then a second motor run from the first would engage the capacitator to fuel the engine and the battery when the automobile ran out of gas.

Moonman-I don't think electric drive trains were part of the original question,

Moonman-Come on guys, hasn't this strayed a ways from the original thread?

Uhhhhhhhm....yeah.......you alright mate?

Alex-Btw, high comp pistons means that they increased the stroke, perhaps inderectly, but most certainly, otherwise how do you increase compression

You make the combustion chamber smaller in the case of high comp. pistons they are taller above the pin. You can also use longer rods if you have the deck space or last but not least shave the head.

[freeztar]

I've enjoyed following this thread but feel that the topic has drifted a bit. Don't get me wrong, the discussion has been great! Perhaps it might be even better if it were placed in a more specific thread.

I get the impression from Ryan's initial post that a self-propelling engine design was being considered. Several people have pointed out how it's very difficult, if not impossible/impractical, to retrieve spent energy. Hence, the original claim of "motion from motion" has been extensively reviewed. Or maybe it hasn't? In any case, it might be better to place discussions of engine mods to achieve greater fuel efficiencies into its own thread, imho.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

What if motion fueled an automobile? At first fuel would turn the motor but then a second motor run from the first would engage the capacitator to fuel the engine and the battery when the automobile ran out of gas.

Way ahead of you Freezy but first above is the first post there is a mention of gas therefore he's basicaly talking about a hybrid...which has been covered...Is directly related to power output of engines...and has even been approached as an
electric with regenerative braking exhaustively...and now as the environment here has turned hostile....I say Fk it! did you see my post pertaining to electromotive efficiency?!? I killed an hour and a half on that bugger only to be blasted for taking a breather and a moment to respond to a friend in the next post.

All right folks you don't like what you've read so far...You've got a choice find another thread more suiting or better yet contribute!!!!!!!
As for me I'm outa here...It just aint worth the agrivation.

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

Way ahead of you Freezy but first above is the first post there is a mention of gas therefore he's basicaly talking about a hybrid...which has been covered...Is directly related to power output of engines...and has even been approached as an
electric with regenerative braking exhaustively...and now as the environment here has turned hostile....I say Fk it! did you see my post pertaining to electromotive efficiency?!? I killed an hour and a half on that bugger only to be blasted for taking a breather and a moment to respond to a friend in the next post.

All right folks you don't like what you've read so far...You've got a choice find another thread more suiting or better yet contribute!!!!!!!
As for me I'm outa here...It just aint worth the agrivation.

Whoa dude!
I was not being hostile.

I'm unaware of this hostility you speak of, but if it is bothering you, contact one of the mods.

There's absolutely no reason for anyone to be hostile in this thread. This is a great thread and I'd hate to see any of the content given thus far go by the wayside or become unproductive.

I was merely throwing my opinion out there and seeing what the people involved in the thread thought.

[alexander]

Originally Posted by Mr D

You make the combustion chamber smaller in the case of high comp. pistons they are taller above the pin. You can also use longer rods if you have the deck space or last but not least shave the head.

Yes that is the new nick name i am giving you hope you like it, its really close to Mr T and he was just uber cool

Oh, but on that quote, which is your basic stroke kit. The rods will increase the distance the piston travels, aka stroke, and the high comp piston (and i've installed a few of those in my time at the shop ) are yeah, generally thicker on top to decrease the amount of space in the cylinder thus increasing the compression even more ... i know what you were saying though.

Originally Posted by Moon

I don't think electric drive trains were part of the original question

oh come on, they were some of the earlier electric modes of transportation, and you know what they say, you gotta look into the past, to see the future (or maybe i just made that up)

Originally Posted by Mr D

And yeah the neg.

Oh trust me i dont really look into it, if it was anything that was justifyable or pertained to me doing something wrong (though it may have seemed like i was de-railing or something) was certainly not intended to be so, anyone who has read my other correspondances of such content would generally know, but whatever, whoever that person is (and i have a feeling you will read this at some point), know, i still respect your oppinion, value your inputs and still look up to you, as i did 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by freezy

I get the impression from Ryan's initial post that a self-propelling engine design was being considered. Several people have pointed out how it's very difficult, if not impossible/impractical, to retrieve spent energy. Hence, the original claim of "motion from motion" has been extensively reviewed.

freezy, i feel what you are saying, and i see your points. I feel though we have discussed that topic and i think it sparked a discussion on another one. Though i would rarely do so, i do agree that it should be split into a different topic, BUT, from prior experience, we'd have to close the discussion on this one, or else we will get yet another one of those threads like we did on the scientific notation (if you recall). It was such a mess after the split, i didnt know which one to post in and eventually gave up... but i care about this discussion more, because as always i learn more and i ponder more about this stuff, and its fun.

Oh really quickly too, um, if we were less busy discussing how this thread went a little off topic (though in the context of the topic) and contributed, maybe we would have been back on the track to ways to recover energy from car motion...

Ok, back to recovering power from motion, or some other means of doing that:

I have formed some ideas since my previous posts. First of all, if you try to recover energy from motion, to the point of attempting to propell the car afterwards, we have agreed, it aint gonna be worth it, the laws of mechanical and electromagnetic efficiency simply do not allow for that, but in conventional ways. Break regeneration is a good start, and photovoltaic paint may be another way to generate power on the run, a hood cover made from the thermovoltaic material will also provide a way to generate power from heat lost by the engine, but we need more, as Jeremy Clarkston said, "we need more bigger stuff".
I think that the idea with building stuff into the axles is not all that bad, problem is, you are trying to derive too much power from that. What should happen is a set of really simple coils built into the wheel, small, electromagnetic drag-wise, almost negligeable, weight-wise, also nearly there, really tiny generators, such as ones built into small wind mills, perhaps even so small that the ones out of mock-up and scaled models of wind mills, built into the weels of the car. The purpose of them will not however be to charge the onboard batteries, no, they will simply take over the power needed to run the car, or well, feed a battery that is otherwise not a part of the main system. If you generate enough power to power your electric steering, computer, lights, gages, and all the other nifty accessories on the new cars, which in all reality is not that much power, perhaps in the end you may increase the final efficiency of the system. problem becomes, you are complicating it, by a lot, you are adding wires, and an inverter, so what would need to be done is to build this into already built infrastructure of the car, or make it really simple stupid.
I think the physical design of the car needs to be compartmentalized, car needs to be broken into a couple of dozen areas, each that will have its own microsystem, and all those things working together would make it into the car. To make smarter cars, we may simply turn to what the AV industry has been taking advantage of. Microprocessors, but not one giant computer, no, small microprocessor angled at doing their own thing, with a really insignifficant center node, you should now have a more complex, but at the same time simpler, more reliable system of the car. You could then spread your power sources, to better spread the weight of the car, as well as decreasing the amount of wiring, and hopefully decreasing weight and power needs of the onboard systems...

just give that some thought for now...

[ryan2006]

Sorry people, I had a stint in the hospital everything is allright though so don't worry. Now Moontanman and I were talking about friction slowing everything down and I don't buy that because the sun comes up and the sun goes down and everthing in this universe and to infinity is moving. Now while I was in the hospital I had given some thought to E=mc2.

Mass or a vehicle traveling on a wave of light traveling at 186,000miles/sec2 will turn into energy. But what if your car traveling on the motion of the vehicle carried the it 1 mile. Surely friction could be overcome, but how? What about using waste heat from the turning of an electromagnetic motor and also I am not ruling out the fact that it may just turn out to be a vehicle that runs solely on electricity. Hybrid because of the infrastructure and the way things are currently set up. Waste heat from the friction?