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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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A replicator will have to have a supply of raw materials, at the very least in the form of the basic elements comprising the object to replicated. In the "Star Trek" universe the replicator made things out of raw energy from the matter antimatter reactor, I guess in form of photons. I doubt anything approaching this well ever be built.
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No......you could change a stick of iron into a microscopic stick of dwarf matter that has the same mass as that iron, but is a million times denser.
You could turn a stick of hafnium into a microscopic stick of hafnium with the same mass to fit more fuel into less space.
The convenience of building from the atom up is basically unlimited because they don't just mean from the 'atom' up, from the electron up, from the proton up, from the neutron up and from the quark up. You could take a thousand protons and neutrons and bunch them together with another thousand protons and neutrons into an atom, and take thousands of quarks from other atoms and make them surround these protons and neutrons so they don't fly apart, and you got a denser atom!!!
Imagine a hundred tons of chemical rocket fuel inside a glass container!!!!
I'm not making this up, just watch the video closer next time.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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09-04-2008
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
Further more you could take a large block of titanium and turn it into a mountain sized block of titanium that weighs the exact same, but takes up, much, much, much more space. Although it probably wouldn't hold together unless you made it's foundations stronger than titanium, take it's atoms forming very short covalent bonds for example.
This means you could make an orion shuttle that weighs 50 lbs, and is just as strong using nano bots and nano technology.
It would be propelled many many many many many many many times faster, with half as much fuel.
The combination of condensing say 30 tons of chemical rocket fuel into 30 tons of rocket fuel that can fit inside a tea spoon, making a 50 pound orion shuttle that's just as strong and large as the original, and then putting a billion tons of this condensed chemical rocket fuel inside the shuttle's fuel tanks, you got a ship that can take you to another solar system in the same time it would take a regular shuttle to travel to Venus.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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No......you could change a stick of iron into a microscopic stick of dwarf matter that has the same mass as that iron, but is a million times denser.
You could turn a stick of hafnium into a microscopic stick of hafnium with the same mass to fit more fuel into less space.
The convenience of building from the atom up is basically unlimited because they don't just mean from the 'atom' up, from the electron up, from the proton up, from the neutron up and from the quark up. You could take a thousand protons and neutrons and bunch them together with another thousand protons and neutrons into an atom, and take thousands of quarks from other atoms and make them surround these protons and neutrons so they don't fly apart, and you got a denser atom!!!
Imagine a hundred tons of chemical rocket fuel inside a glass container!!!!
I'm not making this up, just watch the video closer next time.
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No you can't, how do you manipulate something as small as a proton or electron? How do you overcome their mutual repulsion? Dwarf matter? a million times denser? Such a thing would simply sink into the earth nothing could hold it. A denser atom? You are making stuff up now.
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Nuclear is the only real option!
http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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Further more you could take a large block of titanium and turn it into a mountain sized block of titanium that weighs the exact same, but takes up, much, much, much more space. Although it probably wouldn't hold together unless you made it's foundations stronger than titanium, take it's atoms forming very short covalent bonds for example.
This means you could make an orion shuttle that weighs 50 lbs, and is just as strong using nano bots and nano technology.
It would be propelled many many many many many many many times faster, with half as much fuel.
The combination of condensing say 30 tons of chemical rocket fuel into 30 tons of rocket fuel that can fit inside a tea spoon, making a 50 pound orion shuttle that's just as strong and large as the original, and then putting a billion tons of this condensed chemical rocket fuel inside the shuttle's fuel tanks, you got a ship that can take you to another solar system in the same time it would take a regular shuttle to travel to Venus.
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I really and truly honestly hope you are correct but then again I hope the Star Ship Enterprise will pull into orbit one day as a gift from an advanced civilazation that likes to watch Star Trek, it could happen but I'm not holding my breath.
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Life is the poetry of the universe.
Love is the poetry of life.
Nuclear is the only real option!
http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx
Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?"
Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it
Proud graduate of Wossamotta University!
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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No you can't, how do you manipulate something as small as a proton or electron?
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Have nano bots make smaller nano bots, and have those smaller nano bots make smaller yet nano bots.
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How do you overcome their mutual repulsion?
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With quarks!!!
Dwarf matter.
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a million times denser? Such a thing would simply sink into the earth nothing could hold it.
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Do you have to be so frickin literal? How bout 30 times denser? No? 12 times denser, shoot a random number!! It still helps hold more stuff into less space!!!!
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A denser atom? You are making stuff up now.
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Almost as dense as your non believing head.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
I apologize for using frickin in such a way, but please, don't be SOOOOO literal.
Saying a million is one of those 'you know what I mean' statements. I apologize if you expected me to say a number that took years to calculate.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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Have nano bots make smaller nano bots, and have those smaller nano bots make smaller yet nano bots.
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Ok but what will the nano bots be made of?
No such thing as free quarks.
Meaningless term. Try Degenerate matter, still won't work but at least it's accurate.
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Do you have to be so frickin literal? How bout 30 times denser? No? 12 times denser, shoot a random number!! It still helps hold more stuff into less space!!!!
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Still weighs or masses the same, no help there at all.
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Almost as dense as your non believing head.
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Thank you, I'll take that as a complement.
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Life is the poetry of the universe.
Love is the poetry of life.
Nuclear is the only real option!
http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx
Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?"
Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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I really and truly honestly hope you are correct but then again I hope the Star Ship Enterprise will pull into orbit one day as a gift from an advanced civilazation that likes to watch Star Trek, it could happen but I'm not holding my breath.
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Where is your creativity, curiosity, and imagination?
Question you're disbeliefs.
Many people on this forum are like those priests who wanted to crucify Einstein.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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Where is your creativity, curiosity, and imagination?
Question you're disbeliefs.
Many people on this forum are like those priests who wanted to crucify Einstein.
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I guess old age and reality has hemmed in my ability to fantasize.
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Life is the poetry of the universe.
Love is the poetry of life.
Nuclear is the only real option!
http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx
Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?"
Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it
Proud graduate of Wossamotta University!
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Re: The holy grail of nano technology, assemble structures from the atom up!!!
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Ok but what will the nano bots be made of?
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Energy might work.
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No such thing as free quarks.
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That's why the nano-bots take the quarks from other atoms.
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Meaningless term. Try Degenerate matter, still won't work but at least it's accurate.
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It will work.
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Still weighs or masses the same, no help there at all.
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Still weighs the same but it doesn't sink to the center of the Earth, improvement there.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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