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the queer shape

hey all,
i've got this question.
i opened paint and dropper a few points on it.

to explain what i want, let us take an example.
the black points are travellers stranded on a desert with no supplies
they only have a vehicle, that can survive a short distance, which is with one random person.

they need to get to the red point.

how can they do it, while those who walk, do so in a short distance, and the one who drives, picks up all, too in a short distance

or

all cover the minimum distance possible.?
i hope this is clear

PS> you can edit and upload the image.
also you can exceed the circle if needed
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Re: the queer shape

when i tried solving it, this solution came into my mind.


also this


the red line is of the car,
the blue line is of the people who walk to pick up the car.
and the remaining dont get a lift.

clearly a few people dont survive a walk

any thoughts?


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Post A "tight string" solution to the "travelers in the desert" problem

Restating the problem as follow:
Given:
A number n travelers are stranded in the desert at various distances and directions from an oasis;
Each traveler T_i can walk a distance no more than D_i;
One traveler T_x, is a car that can travel distance D_x. The car can carry any number of travelers.

How can all of the travelers reach the oasis?
It can be solved using a “tight string” approach:
  1. On a map of the problem, attach strings of length D_i to the position of each traveler T_i except T_x; The end of each string has an eyelet (loop) allowing it to slide smoothly over another string;
  2. Attach a “main” string to T_x. Thread it through the eyelets on each of the other strings, and through an eyelet attached to the oasis;
  3. Pull the main string ‘till it’s tight;
  4. If the length L of the main string is not greater than D_x, the travelers can reach the oasis by walking to the point indicated on the map where their eyelets touch the main string, while D_x follows the path indicated by the main string;
  5. If L is greater than D_x, repeat from step 2, threading the main string thought the eyelets in a different order; If all possible orders are tried without success, the problem has no solution.
Note that only the main string will necessarily be tight after step 3. One or more of the other strings may be loose.

Here’s a picture of a possible solution. The circles are those inscribed by the many strings, and aren't part of the solution. It’s hand/mouse-drawn, so may not be very accurate.

The “tight string” solution is sometimes associated with solving network problems, such as “word web” puzzles where you must change one word into another by changing one letter at a time following certain rules. That’s where I first found it. It’s possible to compute a solution by modeling the physics of the strings, though it’s easier for most people to solve the problem with a physical map, strings, and pins.

Step 5 is a variation on the traveling salesman problem. If there are a lot of travelers, it can take a lot of tries to complete.


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