Time Travel 2

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
Recently, I went through a sort of "stage" where i wanted to disprove everything worth disproving, and we all know, if you move one card at the bottom of a stack, you change quite a bit. What i did was try to figure out the atomic theory structure. I wanted to see if it was right. I came up with the conclusion that it has to be missing something, to have as many flaws as it does. And in the process of doing that, i ran across an amazing discovery, it is yet to be tested, to even be true or not, i have absolutely no mathematics to it, i myself am no mathematician, but i have a good understanding in physics. I belive i have figured out how to time travel with the mind inside you. Now, if you dont belive in the spiritual dimension, turn away now, because this theory revolves around the belief that there is one.

This is a Scince based web site. If you want to waste time with hocus pocus mumbo jumbo, your in the wrong place.

If you want to pretend to even attempt a science based discussion, you need to provide valid factual proof for all your assertions. None of this "blindly accept or it don't work" garbage.

[Uncle Martin]

CD27,

WHAAAAT? Jello? Before you refute science you should consider learning something about it. Making it up to suit your spiritual needs is male bovine excrement! Your entire post is nonsense. The "and da da da etc." statement is my favorite part. After jello and inol energy)

[CD27]

well, i could of course be a completely rude person, like yourself, but i am not that cruel to people who could possibly be my friends in the future. you can think what you want, and i could care less what your oppinion states about my theory, i'm just glad that you have one. if my theory offends you, oh well, i am not about to stop posting it just because you get a little tingle in your throat that says it is "hocus pokus". trust me, if i thought it was garbage, i would never had posted it. obviously i have not posted the rest of my sign in name, it was to long to keep on retyping. let me enlighten you. it is christian_dude_27...note "christian". i also asked you to turn back if you don't belive in the spiritual dimension. you did not, you became offended, that is your problem, not mine or anyone else's. so do us all a favor, shut up and just leave, like i referred in the first place to non-believers.

[CD27]

i tend to get rather tired of seeing the exact same quote used over and over again with no meaning what so ever. perhaps you could explain it to me uncle martin. and by the way, the jello thing was not orriginolly thought up by me, i am just using it to update my own theory. if you wish to find out who really wrote the theory about spacetime being a jello like substance, go to google and search for jellotivity. the guy who wrote it is extremely smart, so, jsut read what he has to say. then you'll see why i said it was like jello.

[Uncle Martin]

I apologize for being rude. I'm going to opt out for now and let Tormod and Frethinker have their way with you tomorrow.

Good luck

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
let me enlighten you. it is christian_dude_27...note "christian".

In what way do you think this "enlightened" anyone here? Your Christianity was so obvious you should have loaded a dead man on a stick image for yourself.

so do us all a favor, shut up and just leave, like i referred in the first place to non-believers.

Ya we know how you loving Christians have loved killing off the non-believers in the past. Oh for the good ole days hey?
This is a SCIENCE site. If you want to carry on a scientifically valid discussion, please do so. Buit don't come here thinking you can spew what ever convoluted nonsense you wish and have it treated with the respect reserved for information that was gained thru legitimate research.

If you want the assertion of a soul to be accepted, prove one exists first.

If you can't, the only intellectually honest option is to not try to bring it into the discussion.

[CD27]

for one, the christians "in the past" were not "real christians". those christian did kill and murder, last time i checked, i don't see any true christians today kiling anyone unless it is slef defense. if you're going to say that christians kill people all the time, prove it. i don't have to prove anyhting to you, you either belive it or you don't, that's all. i live by faith that there is a spirit, if you don't oh well tough for you i don't care. get a life and stop bugging me on this. i'm not forcing anyhting on anyone, so chill out. ok, i'm asking you. PLEASE leave me alone on the topic. if you don't like it, it's not my fault. i can't rub your feet and make you feel better. this is a free country, or at least i hope it is, that is what america stands for. i don't know if you live there or not, but i do, and i know i have a right to post what i want where i want. if i insult you by posting my belifs, oh well too bad get used to it. you are not forced to read it.

[Tormod]

CD27, it seems it is you who are insulted by people's responses to your posts.

1) Please read our FAQ (link in the menu above) and read the posting guidelines.

2) Your comments about Christians not killing and America is this or that is very interesting (after all, America is a country with a church on every corner and state sanctioned executions). You might be interested in catching up with some of the threads on "GOD" and other discussions about religion elsewhere in these forums. And - you may be in America but a lot of our members are not. You are showing a very typical American arrogance.

3) If you ever ask anyone to "leave you alone" in these forums, you might think twice about why they are not leaving you alone. There are very dedicated people here who are not afraid of asking for proof and who will continue to bug you until you can provide ut.

I would ease off the arrogance and try to accept that in these forums we discuss just about everything - but we demand that claims be backed up by proof, which you have not done. Taking cover under "But I believe this is so" is in direct violation of our FAQ.

AND...double posting is not welcome. Once is plenty.

Tormod

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
for one, the christians "in the past" were not "real christians".

Here we go again. Another Christian that is the ONLY Christian EVER to be allowed to determine who is and who is NOT a Christian. It is so funny to see Christians on one hand want to claim that Christianity is a MAJORITY religion, yet on the other hand want to deny that anyone else is an ACTUAL Christian.

You Christians have not only tortured and killed all the non and other believers throughout history, but even other Christians that did not think exactly like you.

those christian did kill and murder, last time i checked, i don't see any true christians today kiling anyone unless it is slef defense.

Hahaha, so if I give specific examples, you will want to claim that they either are not ACTUAL Christians, since YOU are THE person to make that determination (Sorry St Peter! lol), or that suddenly the bible says "Thou shalt not kill, except in self defense".

if you're going to say that christians kill people all the time, prove it.

Ireland, Bosnia, Crusades, Inquisition, Hitler, Europeans first coming to America, Oklahoma Bombing, KKK, Abortion Drs., G.W. Bush, ...

i don't have to prove anyhting to you,

No you don't. But don;t expect to come to a Science based site and spew religious nonsense without being able to prove it. You merely show the intellectually empty rhetoric of Christian dogma and mindset.

you either belive it or you don't, that's all.

Yes, some people will "believe" anything, no matter how much it lacks credible support of grounding in logic. People like me don't have that failing.

i live by faith that there is a spirit,

Lacking any VALID reason to believe, yes you DO live by faith.

Each of us has to decide how valuable our life is. To some, they place a high value on their life and require that valid evidence be used to determine what philosophy they base their life on. Others are willing to sell their lives out to nothing but empty claims and faith based superstitions.

get a life and stop bugging me on this.

YOU came HERE. If you don't like having to live up to the level of dialog required in a science based site, why bother?

if i insult you by posting my belifs,

It is not ME that is being insulted when you post empty claims and unsupportable assertions. I am amused by your ramblings.

[sanctus]

Originally posted by: CD27
And in the process of doing that, i ran across an amazing discovery, it is yet to be tested, to even be true or not, i have absolutely no mathematics to it, i myself am no mathematician, buti have a good understanding in physics.

how you can understand physics but not mathematics puzzles me.Anyway then you write

Negative and positive charges, attraction and repulsion, they just didnt mix together. I discovered that without some force to push the electrons away from the protons it would cause a catostrophic end of the atomic structure, and i didn't want to see that. Some people tell me that it is the force of the electron's high speeds that holds it away from the proton. That is false, electrons can not move that quickly without causing a constant electrical disturbance, and from what i can see, i dont get electricuted constantly, do you? I didn't think so. I aggree, the electrons move relatively fast, but not fast enough to overcome the laws of electrical forces. Yea, it's a simple idea, but if they were even able to move fast enough to keep from falling into the atom, well they would end up colliding with each other and we would see little electrical "pops" in mid air all the time, but we dont.

You've got the right not know something and starting from there make a theory that doesn't hold. I tell what I learned (that doesn't imply it's right, but all experiences made prove it).
You are right in classical electrodynamics the atom wouldn't hold together, the electron turning would send off EM waves and lose energy until it collides with the nucleus. In Quantum Mechanics, the electron isn't seen as a moving particle, but is sort immobile all around the nucleus with a certain probability of presence everywhere (even kilometers away) and therfore doesn't lose energy and therefore the atom doesn't collapse.
So, before you type on science site a theory you made (nothing against it, actually it could be very interesting) with what you learned about physics in high school, I would suggest you type on google "stability of the atom". Or what you could do as well is go in the "physics and mathematics" section and write there a post to get the info.

Just about religious killing, it's true that you only hear about islamic extremists/integralists in the western media, but if you look at what one has to do to be defined as an religious integralists you will find out that Bush (and generally rest of his government) are quite much christian integralists. He is it just in a bit more hidden way, as imposing democracy seems a noble christian thing to everyone, noble enough that one can even kill some non-believers in the name of democracy. As, if they were already christians, they would be already democratic seen that christianity has only good values.... and so on.
I sincerily admire your courage stating that you cannot see a single christian killing if it is not in self defense, but, yes, I forgot war against terrorism is self-defense. Did you never think that the terrorists are maybe there because the US-gouvernment acts in his arrogant way. Ok, I stop here, not that there would not be more to say.