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the[/U] seminal work describing and literally defining 'fractal'. Never mind if you understand the text & formulae, just read it, front to back while enjoying the pretty pictures & drawings. Let the general sense of the work soak in like the steady new waves lapping a sandy shore....I think any real grand unified theory must include recursion as an operative element...
I just bumped into this thread. Shiny!!!
I also have Mandelbrot's book. Read it some years ago. When I go home I will look for it somewhere on my 7 six-foot bookshelves.

I just happen to have a Mandelbrot Generator that I wrote in Perl, that is easy to use--IF you have a Perl 5 Interpreter on your PC. I will also change my avatar to be one of the outputs of that program.

So, I can't promise to answer anything fractal, but do you have any questions?


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I just bumped into this thread. Shiny!!!
I also have Mandelbrot's book. Read it some years ago. When I go home I will look for it somewhere on my 7 six-foot bookshelves.

I just happen to have a Mandelbrot Generator that I wrote in Perl, that is easy to use--IF you have a Perl 5 Interpreter on your PC. I will also change my avatar to be one of the outputs of that program.

So, I can't promise to answer anything fractal, but do you have any questions?
Woot! Pyrotex has the book too!?
Good.
It would be easier to discuss if our/my keyboard could type out the formulas contained within.

The Basic tenet is that Nature forms with a Geometrical Math pattern.
Leaf shape. Coastlines, snowflakes..
Nature is fundamentally geometric math sequences!!
And there are formulas that become recurrent theme!

Do tell a little more Pyro....
ps. I don't think, am pretty sure actually, that I don't have Perl 5.
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Thats Fractal Folks!!


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Good....The Basic tenet is that Nature forms with a Geometrical Math pattern.
Leaf shape. Coastlines, snowflakes.....Do tell a little more Pyro....
ps. ...!!
Well, I'm going to try to upload the executable. Maybe ( ) that doesn't require having Perl. We'll see.

The fractal nature of nature is really simpler than it looks at first glance (maybe). In biology, for example, DNA doesn't have to code for the entire shape of a leaf and the twigs and the branches and the trunk. DNA only has to code for a repetitive algorithm of putting proteins here... here... there and there... and then repeating. So instead of several megabytes of storage for a description, it takes only a few hundred bytes for a cyclical sequence of operations. The real beauty of this is that each cycle does not have to be perfect or exactly like the one before. Variation adds to the beauty and complexity.

The Mandelbrot Space is of infinite complexity, but the algorith is adsurdly simple. In the region around 0, 0i in the complex plane, pick any point C.
C = a, bi. Where a and b are real numbers.
Now square C then add C -- to get D.
Now square D then add D -- to get E.
Now square E then add E -- to get F... etc.

Each time you do this, compute the distance of the point from the origin. Mandelbrot proved that if the sequence C, D, E, F, ever gets further than 2 from the origin, then the sequence will go "outward" towards infinity. Bye-bye. However, there are an infinite number of starting points (C') where the sequence C', D', E', F' always stays in the vicinity of the origin. These points make up (define) the Mandelbrot Space.

In the algorithm to "draw" the Mandelbrot Space, we count the number of times we repeat the cycle (square and add) until the distance of the resulting point exceeds 2 from the origin. We do this up to some maximum, say 512 iterations of the cycle.

If the 512th point in the sequence is still < 2 from the origin, then we color that point BLACK. These BLACK points define the Mandelbrot Space in the program. If the distance from the origin exceeds 2 at the m-th iteration, then we color that point a color associated with the number m. Since we typically have only k colors to choose from (say, 64) we actually use m' = mod(m, k). So if m = 68, then m' = 4 and we use the 4th color for that point.

The beauty of the Mandelbrot Space is NOT the black areas which are IN the Mandelbrot Space but the rainbow-colorful region that is ALMOST BUT NOT QUITE IN the Mandelbrot Space--the points that eventually diverge to infinity after several HUNDRED or THOUSAND iterations of the algorithm.

More later if you want. Now to see if I can upload the executable. To run it, just double-click it. -- DANG!! INVALID FILE!! Tormod may have to permit ".exe" files to upload.


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We will try again.
This is a zip file. You will have to unzip it to use it.
It should produce a folder named "MandelFiles" (I think).
Extract the folder to your hard drive.
Inside should be the executable Manbrot2.exe.
Double click on that.

And it is written in Java, not Perl.

My avatar was made with this program!!!
Every time you click anywhere in the program's display, it will redisplay with 2X magnification, with your click point at the center of the new display.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal#Fractals_in_nature

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It appears to be available.
When you download and run it, there is a menu pull-down called "Julia". What is this?
Julia was the name of Mandelbrot's daughter.
If you remember, the M algorithm was:
In the region around 0, 0i in the complex plane, pick any point C.
C = a, bi. Where a and b are real numbers.
Now square C then add C -- to get D.
Now square D then add D -- to get E.
Now square E then add E -- to get F... etc.

The J (for Julia) algorithm is:
In the region around 0, 0i in the complex plane, pick any point C.
C = a, bi. Where a and b are real numbers.
Now square C then add C -- to get D.
Now square D then add C -- to get E.
Now square E then add C -- to get F... etc.

Selecting the Julia Space gives you this second algorithm. And they are beautiful too! They are connected in the following manner.
If you start with MS and there is a BLACK pixel in the center (a member of the MS) and then display the corresponding JS, then all BLACK members of the JS will connect together. In other words, there will be just ONE set of connected points in the JS.

However, if you start with MS and there is a colored pixel in the center (NOT a member of the MS) and then display the corresponding JS, then the BLACK members of the JS will form an infinite set of unconnected regions.

The MS is therefore a "MAP" of JS. Every point IN the MS will produce a connected JS; every point NOT IN the MS will produce a infinitely unconnected JS.


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OK Pyro, I've got the formula in front of me, but I am lost about how I begin the calculations.

C = a, bi where a and b are any real numbers. I can create the looping formula looking for a value >2. But what gives me the starting value for each point on the space? And what is i?

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