[FrankM]

When Hertz did his experiments many years ago, he demonstrated that a pulse of electricity through a wire could be detected at a distance. The "charge sheet" and associated current created during a seismic event is somewhat like a current pulse in a wire, as it generates an electric field that can be detected at a distance. The earth-ionosphere connection creates an interesting condition that complicates matters significantly. When the area of the seismic event goes "positive" the ionosphere above it goes "negative", which indicates a field reversal. This field reversal is not a nice sine wave pulse, but is dictated by the seismic event period with all its intensity variations.

The DEMETER sateillite is sensing electromagnetic pulses, but is this from the in-earth currents or from the earth-ionosphere field reversal?

Various types of ground instruments are picking up ultra-low frequency pulses also, some using traditional sensing coils and others "earth antennas". Unlike the DEMETER satellite, that uses 3-axis sensing coils, the vast majority of the ground sensors are single axis (this includes the majority of ULF/ELF afficionados) and those using "earth antennas" (they take a lot of real estate).

Many of the traditional seismologists are still using sensors that detect only "mechanical" seismic changes and are slow to recognize (many ignore) the electrically dynamic characteristics of seismic events.

We have a lot to learn.

[Turtle]

Can/do these charges produce light/plasma balls ?

[FrankM]

Yes, and more.

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/083.html

The above is an old report but I have some current ones that I will add to this post.

[Turtle]

Thanks Frank for that link. If you remember I brought this up because lights in the sky over the last few years have been reported & photographed in video over Mt. Adams Washington in the area of a small town named Trout Lake. The gentleman who made some of the tapes thinks they are UFOs; I will look to see if I can find a link with the video.
I also believe I read something concerning lights in the Smoky Mountains seen for centuries now attribute to electrical effects due to the geology. Fascinating stuff.

[alexander]

Yeah, nice article Frank, I actually stopped watching this topic a while back, but I'm sure we can continue if you want to.

When Hertz did his experiments many years ago, he demonstrated that a pulse of electricity through a wire could be detected at a distance.

And that allows for one of the ways to spy on somebody elses computer, as different processes within the processor and the motherboard take different ammounts of power, and different signals to the monitor have different pulses of electricity, having about a van of equipnemt you can have a completely separate computer do, or at lest display all the things that are displayed on your targets computer.
Back to the topic though, Earthquake lights have been countlessly reported throughout the history:
http://ufos.about.com/library/weekly/aa032299.htm
pictures: http://www.earthwaves.org/eqlight.htm
attempt at duplicating them: http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/nqlights.htm
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf074/sf074g14.htm
ball lightning: http://www.ernmphotography.com/Pages...L_Info_11.html

Report on the 5th International Symposium on Ball Lightning (ISBL97)
held on August 26-29, 1997, in Tsugawa-Town, Japan.
http://home.wxs.nl/~icblsec/isbl99/pg_report.html

there's more but i think this is enough to show somewhat strange light phenomena that happens before the earthquake strikes.

[FrankM]

http://www.scec.org/instanet/01news/...nov_freund.pdf

I cited the above URL in my August 8, 04 posting, which discusses the mechanism that creates the electrical charge during an earthquake. The real tragedy is the number of seismologists that hang on to the old theories and are unwilling or unable to grasp the significance of the "electrical" mechanisms related to earthquakes.

The studies presented by Friedemann Freund indicate that the massive release of positive charge carriers results in a large surface area around the seismic event rapidly going positive, which in effect is modulating the earth-ionosphere electric field immediately above this area. This may be the major process generating the electromagnetic field that is being detected by ULF/ELF receivers.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by FrankM

... The real tragedy is the number of seismologists that hang on to the old theories and are unwilling or unable to grasp the significance of the "electrical" mechanisms related to earthquakes.

The studies presented by Friedemann Freund indicate that the massive release of positive charge carriers results in a large surface area around the seismic event rapidly going positive, which in effect is modulating the earth-ionosphere electric field immediately above this area. This may be the major process generating the electromagnetic field that is being detected by ULF/ELF receivers.

As we have a recent article here about quakes on the moon, I thought Frank's piezoelectric effects described here. So of course I have to ask, has anyone measured piezoelectric effects on the Moon related to quakes? Have you looked at this in regard to the Moon Frank [et al]?
http://hypography.com/forums/astrono...oonquakes.html

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by FrankM

Yes, and more.

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/083.html

The above is an old report but I have some current ones that I will add to this post.

The topic of recommended threads to read came up in the Cooler (or somewhere nearby), & this is one thread I find myself rereading. I live in a seismically active region & reports of possible piezo-electric effects originate nearby at Trout Lake in the area of Mt. Adams Washington.
Squeeze a rock...get an electric charge. Apply an electric charge to a rock...it expands.
Anyway, I find this topic fascinating & recommend it.

[FrankM]

Originally Posted by Turtle

As we have a recent article here about quakes on the moon, I thought Frank's piezoelectric effects described here. So of course I have to ask, has anyone measured piezoelectric effects on the Moon related to quakes? Have you looked at this in regard to the Moon Frank [et al]?
http://hypography.com/forums/astrono...oonquakes.html

No, I haven't read about moonquakes. The article cited the duration of the vibrations generated by a moonquake as compared to earthquakes. It does not appear the moon has a central magna core, which in the earth acts a bit like silly putty. I suggest one take a golf ball and replace the core with silly putty and then see how far you can wack it.

As mentioned in the prior posts, piezoelectric action is not the primary mechanism for generating electrical charge generation in rock under extreme pressure. Since this action was not understood more than 5 years ago, NASA hadn't developed instrumentation to detect surface charge changes caused by moonquakes or even for earthquakes. The NASA researcher, Friedemann Freund, has suggested a network of surface charge detectors be deployed to identify charges being generated in an earthquake prone area, California.

Traditional seismologists are still depending upon mechanical sensors to detect earthquake action even though they have never been able to determine an impending earthquake with any degree of certainty. As with any new concept, the old school will be reluctant to change, as many are ill prepared cope with radical (to them) electromagnetic technology used in detecting earthquake pre-cursors.

[FrankM]

In 2004 I had posted information about earth conductivity in an attempt to find out more about just what mechanisms are causing this. Since that earlier post I had found the articles about p-hole conductivity in deep rock and how the charges created by earthquakes are detectable at the earth's surface and in the ionosphere.

I had made inquires to academic sources concerning a statement made in many publications concerning outdoor activity, "mines and caves are dangerous during thunderstorms". I wanted to know if the potentials within caves and mines had ever been measured. An academic source at a school of mines responded, "No, this has never been done."

A spelunker, I do not know his scientific credentials or what his day job is, published a report in National Speleological Society publication commenting on the results of an earlier study, but I have yet to find anyone that has followed up on determining the natural of the unusual results. The title of his report is “GEOPHYSICAL STUDIES AT KARTCHNER CAVERNS STATE PARK, ARIZONA”. The pdf article is just 8k.

http://www.caves.org/pub/journal/PDF...62n1-Green.pdf

Apparently, the area above underground voids exhibits an increased electric potential relative to solid areas. I want to know if this changes appreciably when there are thunderstorms overhead or nearby.