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Is our mind totally electronic?
Is our mind totally electronic, since everything in our universe is composed of electrons? It may explain bizarre human behaviors.
Let's suppose that our human encephalon converted the energy dissipated from electrons in our environment to a corresponding electrical output. It would mean that the stimuli or reaction is equal to each other.
Conceptually, to correct human behaviors, it may be necessary to modify the input to change the output.
For example: A negative input would generate a negative output. Conversely, a positive input would generate a positive output. To gain a different result, an inverter gate is necessary to flip flop the output to be opposite the input.
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Re: Is our mind totally electronic?
A negative times a negative will always be a positive.
anyway.
As for electric? Basically yes.
My premise is that all phenomena arises from magnetic monopoles... so eletric phenomena would be part of the whole magnetic thing.
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07-19-2006
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Re: Is our mind totally electronic?
Brain functon is primarily ion segregation and flux not electron flows. Processing isl modulated by a dozen or so chemical neurotransmitters. Function is structural as well as excitation and inhibition. The brain appears to operate by cosensus rather than discrete element logic flow.
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Re: Is our mind totally electronic?
(To explain UncleAl's first part)The impulses that run in neurons is not a flow of electrons, as in a metal wire. It is quite different.
What actually happens is that a wave of positive charge flow happens. Overall, not one ion is transferred all over the length. Of the impulse.
Kind of like in a normal logitudinal wave. It's not a bunch of matter particles that moves, but it's the... the... disturbance that moves.
And No, our mind in not totally electronic. It depends to a very very lage extent of chemical based control also.
Now that was some nessecary basic info UncleAl pointed at.
Now, what are you hinting at, stanleyg?
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Re: Is our mind totally electronic?
Electronic as we know it involves electrons and negative charge. But the brain makes use of positive charge. As such, it is almost anti-electronic, in the traditional sense of electronics. Unlike computer memory based on bits or on-off switches, the neuro-transmittors create variable switches, that work like a dimmer switches instead of on-off switches.
The brain is different from a computer in that it can create variable global memory affects. In other words, the brain is bathed in cerebral spinal fluid. Changing the potential of this fluid will have a global impact on the synapses. It sort of sets the dimmer switches a certain way that becomes the foundation of a memory layer associated with the cerebral spinal fluid potential.
For example , when men think with their lower brains, and become linear with respect to females, the dimmer switches are set globally. This tends to organize/active memory and physical dynamics down that line.
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07-19-2006
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Originally Posted by ronthepon
(To explain UncleAl's first part)The impulses that run in neurons is not a flow of electrons, as in a metal wire. It is quite different.
What actually happens is that a wave of positive charge flow happens. Overall, not one ion is transferred all over the length. Of the impulse.
Kind of like in a normal logitudinal wave. It's not a bunch of matter particles that moves, but it's the... the... disturbance that moves.
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Excellent points ron...., I especially liked the discription you labled as "disturbance". Very good points,.......................Infy
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Re: Is our mind totally electronic?
The conduction medium for the positive charge is water. The cations carry around hydration spheres or organized shells of water limiting their mobility and imparting their affects to the hydrogen protons and oxygen of the water. The nervous wave signals are unusual in that they don't go anywhere near the speed of light. If one was to step of a brontosaurus's toe, it would take a second or two before he looked around.
This propagation of positive wave is sort of interesting if one thinks about it. With positive charge moving instead of negative charge, it sort of amounts to the orbital electrons of atoms acting like a second layer of the nucleus of an atom, with the positive charge floating on top. This third layer of chemistry is the basis for life and consciousness, i.e, nucleus, electrons, positive charge.
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07-21-2006
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The conduction medium for the positive charge is water.
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I thought water was non-conductive HB.It is the salts and metals in water that gives it its conductivity.Have I missed something?
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07-21-2006
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Re: Is our mind totally electronic?
Tsk, Hydrogen Bond, In a nerve impulse there is no movement of charge or whatever. There is just an apparent movement of positive potential inside the nerve cell.
This increased potential inside is formed by the inflow of Na+ ions into the nerve.(This is called depolarisation) Potential inside the nerve cell in that part increases.
The potential is reduced to conditions of rest again by efflux of K+ ions from the nerve cell.(This is repolarisation)
The above two activities are controlled and performed by Na+ and K+ 'transmembrane pumps'
This depolarisation-repolarisation continues as a wave along a nerve fibre, and this is called a nervous impulse.
Why else, after intense brain activity do our neurons in the brain get to an ion imbalance... leading to the effect called 'mental fatigue'?
I hope this clears it up, because I am absolutely sure of my assertions.
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I hope this clears it up, because I am absolutely sure of my assertions.
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