Barring HIV+ Immigrants

[Racoon]

Australia wants to bar HIV positive immigrants.
Can you blame them? the US routinely deports Haitian boat people, while allowing Cubans, for this very same reason.
HIV isn't cool. and we don't need infected people who are going to get sick and die while perhaps spreading more HIV on our taxpayers dollars.

Cold, yes. But grim reality.

Australian PM: No HIV-positive immigrants - AIDS - MSNBC.com

Of course some people are going to cry foul.

‘Hysterical overreaction’
Chris Lemoh, an infectious disease specialist who is researching HIV-AIDS among African immigrants in Victoria, said a ban on people with HIV would be a “hysterical overreaction.”

“It mixes racism with a phobia about infectious disease,” he said. “To not allow people to come on the basis of any health condition is immoral, it’s unethical and it’s impractical to enforce.”

I agree that HIV positive immigrants should be blocked. Makes perfect sense. although there are those bleeding hearts without the vision to see otherwise.

Your opinion and or experience on the matter??

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Racoon

Australia wants to bar HIV positive immigrants.
Can you blame them? the US routinely deports Haitian boat people, while allowing Cubans, for this very same reason.
HIV isn't cool. and we don't need infected people who are going to get sick and die while perhaps spreading more HIV on our taxpayers dollars.

Cold, yes. But grim reality.

Of course some people are going to cry foul.


I agree that HIV positive immigrants should be blocked. Makes perfect sense. although there are those bleeding hearts without the vision to see otherwise.

Bar HIV positive immigrants? Absolutely. While we’re at it, let’s bar retarded immigrants, and immigrants with the flu, and immigrants with cleft pallets, and immigrants with allergies, and immigrants with more than two children… Because, after all, they all have one thing in common. They are all immigrants… “Outsiders” who should be hated and treated differently because of our own ineptitudes. Absolutely. I’m better than they are, so they should not be allowed into MY country.

Brilliant post there, Jordan.

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by Racoon

I agree that HIV positive immigrants should be blocked. Makes perfect sense. although there are those bleeding hearts without the vision to see otherwise.

Took me a couple of reads until I realized I agree 100% with that last sentence.

Most people *do* have the vision to see otherwise, I think. Barring HIV+ people is no different than barring people with asthma - there is absolutely no single thing (apart from the disease) that sets HIV+ people apart from other people.

It's ignorance at it's worst, and it seems the Ozzie government has been very busy being ignorant lately.

I think Norway should deny Australian immigrants simply for them being Australian. They are descendants of thieves, murderers, and other neverdowells who were shipped there a few hundred years back by the enlightened British. Let them stay down there.

[ughaibu]

The Brits transported more criminals to the US than to Australia.

Originally Posted by Racoon

I agree that HIV positive immigrants should be blocked. Makes perfect sense. although there are those bleeding hearts without the vision to see otherwise.

Your opinion and or experience on the matter??

Wasn't 200 years or so ago that the french, helped the fledgling America?
Was that diplomacy or a gift? The Louisiana Purchase?

Back then they always seemed to be on our side. (just as a matter of reference)
sum 'eason dey hated the eglish <-----satire

And they GAVE US A Statue with some famous words on it.
give me your tired,your sick, your huddled masses.
isn't this the golden rule?

I for one would like to see healthy people enter the Country of Destination.
in loo of that, Sack the rest of them..Opps;sorry, I had an Imust moment

In any event, Sick People need to get well!!!
I have an idea, but it would take to long here.

[sanctus]

I don't understand well this following sentence, hence I don't understand Tormods answer:

Originally Posted by Racoon

I agree that HIV positive immigrants should be blocked. Makes perfect sense. although there are those bleeding hearts without the vision to see otherwise.

Also it is not clear to me if you Racoon are really in favor or not.

I think the health issue should just not be considered in process of admission, if the immigrants are asylum seekers it is important to check if they really need asylum because they are "endangered" by their government and who cares if they are HIV positive or not.

Originally Posted by sanctus

I don't understand well this following sentence, hence I don't understand Tormods answer:

I think tor was just trying to be funny

Originally Posted by sanctus

Also it is not clear to me if you Racoon are really in favor or not.

that's what I felt.

[Cedars]

There is a big difference between communicable types of disease and others suggested, such as asthma, or allergies, as an equal.

And I quote:

"The immigration laws of the United States, in order to protect the health, welfare, and security of the U.S., prohibit visa issuance to certain applicants. This includes persons who have a communicable disease such as tuberculosis, or have a dangerous physical or mental disorder, or ... "

USA Immigration Visa USA Green Card USA Migration Visa USA Emigration Visa

"Any person wishing to live in the United States for work or study purposes, or because they are joining a family member, must undergo a compulsory HIV test as part of their medical. Anyone found positive who has not obtained a special ‘medical waiver’ from US Immigration Services, will be refused entry to the country."

HIV Testing in the U.S.A.

HIV is transmitted person to person, making it a communicable disease. We should add MORE diseases as disqualifiers for immigration status, such as the antibiotic resistant diseases.

I would have to guess that Australia is looking towards the health and welfare of Australians when exploring this kind of an adjustment in their immigration policies.

[Zythryn]

On the surface, I think such a policy is deplorable.
However, (hold the flamethrowers!), think about a case of Sars, or a mutation of bird flu that is airborne and infects humans. There would be closed borders at many levels. Country, state, province, counties, cities, blocks, heck individual buildings. This would be in an effort to prevent the spread.

Now, I am not certain HIV positive individuals would fit that bill. The policies are in effect to protect the wellfare of the current citizens. It seems to me the debate should be 'does this policy actually prevent or lessen the spread of HIV in the country following said policy?'.

edit- I guess I didn't answer tha poll. I would say none of the above. I would need to know more about HIV and how effective this policy would be in stopping the spread. I suspect there are other avenues that would be more effective in stopping the spread than preventing HIV positive people into the country. But again, I need more info.

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Bar HIV positive immigrants? Absolutely. While we’re at it, let’s bar retarded immigrants, and immigrants with the flu, and immigrants with cleft pallets, and immigrants with allergies, and immigrants with more than two children… Because, after all, they all have one thing in common. They are all immigrants… “Outsiders” who should be hated and treated differently because of our own ineptitudes. Absolutely. I’m better than they are, so they should not be allowed into MY country.

Brilliant post there, Jordan.

How do you relate allergies and cleft pallates to HIV+ staus?

The US and other countries routinely deny HIV+ immigrants.
Russia has an outright ban.

The discussion is whether these people impose a health risk, as well as social drain, on the country they wish to inhabit.

In a perfect world, maybe.
But Countries have the autonomy to make their own laws and policies.

Would you rent out a room in your house to someone with a bad strain of turburculosis?

Don't try to minimize the debate by comparing HIV+ to allergies.

And this isn't a discussion about race or ethnicity, or "Outsiders". Nobody went the Xenophobe route.

I see the logic in denying HIV+ immigrants. From a public safety standpoint, and from a social services standpoint.

Tough reality.