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I'd say don't bother with Adelaide

I think you'd find what you're looking for in Tasmania and Western Australia. I haven't been to either but I hear they're rather beautiful places. And they have wetlands you might be interested in.
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I've often thought of visiting Oz, but the funds are not there, yet.

So if I plan a trip to Oz, what would you Aussies say would be the best destinations, allowing for the following:
* I would love to visit Tasmania (I know...)
* I'm not into urban so much, but it would be great to mingle in a city to learn the talk of the street and local customs etc...
* The Outback sounds great, but not top on the list by any means.
* Coastal towns are appealing
* Diversity, Diversity, Diversity
* Indigenous studies; particularly those related to survival and tradition
* Ecology - heck, I'll even volunteer to eradicate some cane toads

I have some ideas in mind, but I'd really love to hear input from all the Aussies here.
Go by plane if you want diversity. remember the place is as big as Russia
There is a post here on Bill's Peache's plane tours
Tasmania is beautiful very sparsely populated
there is a magazine called Tasmainia lifestyle which is great.
lots of great national parks
you need to tell us what you are into (Hiking?) lots of bits of rainforest still left in Tas and Qld but not for long

SA has some lovely wineries and some suburb wines (first settled by Germans stunning Riselings you can lay down for 20 years if they don't have corks.) again a very pretty place the little bit around Adelaide and the hills I have seen. Adelade is a small manageable town

Sydney is across between LA and San Francisco. The 150 miles around it is where most people in Oz live. Pretty but watch we don't mug you. Lot of art Culture, Opera nightlife jazz etc etc.

All the east cost of Oz is stunning white sand beach after beach after beach. Avoid the touristy ones like Bondi, Terrigal unless you are trying to pick up opposite sex tourists/ backpackers. If you are going to surf please let me know and I will post a few bits of sage advice which might save your life.

The Sydney Zoo is terrific right on the harbour hillside.
- walk from the top down

I have never been to NT or WA but if you go don't poke any crocodiles with sticks or go swimming in inappropriately named creeks like "Alligator" River. I am told kackado (cant spell it) National Park in NT is great but not sure if you should go in wet or dry season. Any other Ozzies know?

The Great Barrier Reef is stunning (Most of the cost of Queensland). You can only visit some spots the rest is restricted national park. See it soon Global warming will kill it in the next 10-20 years. The Whitsundays is a good dropping off point. Lots of tourists there though- where the young German backpackers go to get laid and drunk.
The hinterland is intersting crafty and some rainforest

never reall been "Outback" to far hot dusty and dry. It looks like this years crop, planted when it rained a few months ago is kacktus too, at least in NSW
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Australian politics has suddenly become interesting
Just in case you miss it
A nice article on politics by Alan Ramsy In the SMH
It trys to explain what has happened in the last week via Life of Brian analogys
V. Good

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If you are going to surf please let me know and I will post a few bits of sage advice which might save your life.
If you want to do any surfing come down to victoria and I can show you some secret spots

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If you want to do any surfing come down to victoria and I can show you some secret spots

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opps forgot about Victoria (What NSW Vic rivalry?) Great restaurants (used to be the best before everyone got poker-machines and Casinos,) Cosmopolitan city with a bit of an inferiority complex about Sydney. Silly really it has its own charm, I love its second hand bookshops, Greek food coffee, shopping. Lot of good rag trade designers, great art Gallery, gardens The dandenong mountans (hills) nearby are great for gardens The Rickets Sanctuary is a MUST see.
Everything in Victoria seems a little closer countryside wise. Can be quite cool and changeable weather even in summer, but they are having a bad time with the drought too.
Some great old historic (ie European historic =150 years -aboriginal historic =40-60,000 years old)) country towns like Ballarat and Bendigo. One of my long lost ancestors was mayor of Bendigo

Did I forget Canberra too?
"The ruination of a good sheep farm". The erstwhile, planned, Political Capital of Australia. (when Melbourne and Sydney could not agree on which would be the capital they plunked a new one down on a sheep paddock half way between both!)The War Museum and National Art Gallery are worth a look so too maybe the New Australia Museum & Parliament House But I have not seen either yet. Very planed and ordered city (town). Still I always get lost driving in circles around it. Always seems a bit sole-less to me.

Always good to check what art exhibitions are on in all cites. We have had some great ones. Our art galleries are not up to NY or Washington but the exhibitions are often knock-outs.

Went to Newcastle last night
(4,5,6th? biggest town in Oz?) to see Tiddle l Po the Milligan/Goon story -fabulous show especially if you are a Goon /Milligan fan.) Ate some of the best kangaroo I have eaten, inexpensively too.(it needs to be under cooked don't ask for it well done).
Newcastle is the biggest coal port in the world. Used to be dingy steel (BHP) town like Pitsburg but is becoming very cosmopolitan.
Up the Valley from it (Hunter valley) are lots of wineries, restaurants, expensive bed and breakfasts etc
Unfortunately I was bought up on & prefer SA and Victorian (Rutherglen-wonderful full bodied reds and muscats and ports) wines and so don't really visit there much

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The Chaser's APEC ?OPEC Australia/Austria prank is a must see but How do you get permission to let of your own explosive fireworks when such an event is on? No one seems to have noticed their extra rockets and the firework sign that said "APEC SUCKS"


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Article from: The Sunday Times

September 13, 2007 08:00am

CANCER victim Clare Oliver has died in hospital from melanoma after spending her last days campaigning against the unregulated use of tanning salons.
Ms Oliver, who turned 26 late last month, had campaigned in her final days to raise awareness of the dangers of tanning salons.

Ms Oliver who died of aggressive melanoma, captured Victorian hearts when she spoke out against tanning and solariums.

Her plight sparked the government to action with Health Minister Daniel Andrews promising to frame legislation to ensure that tanning salons adhered to age limits for clients and insisted on parental consent forms from customers aged between 16 and 18.
Solarium skin cancer victim Clare Oliver, 26, dies | PerthNow

So how much sun is a good thing?
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If you have a farmer friend in Oz get them to read this ABC article.
The Carbon Farmers - Features - The Lab - Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Gateway to Science
It could save the farm.

If you are interested in soil read the article yourself.

If it interests or your farmer friend, then look at the Hypography Terra preta forum
http://hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/index2.html


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There has been an unusual presence of kookaburra's in my area of late - I tried to snap a pic with my phone but wasnt to successful as I didnt get close enough before I scared it away

They are great birds to listen to and I have enjoyed having them around - I just wonder what has brought them all in?


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There has been an unusual presence of kookaburra's in my area of late - I tried to snap a pic with my phone but wasnt to successful as I didnt get close enough before I scared it away

They are great birds to listen to and I have enjoyed having them around - I just wonder what has brought them all in?
If you are an insomniac, like me, you might notice that at dawn all the birds start to call.
But kookas start laughing about 30 minutes or more before sunrise
How? Why?
Do they have watches?

It is also said that Kookas calling a lot predicts coming rain


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Australian Animals Lesson 1
Quolls



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They are mammals.
Some are as big as a cat, so they are sometimes called Native Cats.

They are nocturnal animals. In the day time they sleep in hollow trees and logs. At night they look for food. Quolls eat insects, birds, snakes and mice and even some grasses.

Cats, dogs and foxes kill quolls.
Quolls | In the Air | Our Animals

Hobart in Tasmania just burnt down but no-one noticed
Fire at Hobart's Myer building contained - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Store 'family' grieves | Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania

Historic Hobart Myer destroyed by fire | Herald Sun

Hobart's Myer store up in flames - National - theage.com.au

Blog On The Spot - An Events Blog
The Hobart's Mercury Newspaper I note is complaining that there is nearly one "armed" (with stick, knife not necessarily a gun) robbery every month. Sydney should be so lucky.


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My God!!
You can't go anywhere without a Government advertisement about how good they are I mean were.
I just looked up the TV programme and got an adobe flash add about bloody "work choices" (sic). Without broadband it really stuffed my system (They must be running scared too many people out there want a democracy that respects human rights rather than a fascist dictatorship)
Here is my retaliation; my apologies in advance, if by some fluke of DNA, there is a Liberal voter at Hypography.
Subject: John Howard (AKA Bonsai)- Heaven & Hell


While on his morning walk, Prime Minister John Howard falls over, has a heart attack and dies because the accident and emergency ward at his nearest hospital is too understaffed to treat him in time. So his soul arrives in Heaven and he is met by Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates.


"Welcome to Heaven," says Saint Peter, "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a Liberal around these parts, so we're not sure what to do with you."
"No problem, just let me in; I'm a good Christian; I'm a believer," says the PM.


"I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from God Himself. He says that since the implementation of his new HEAVENCHOICES policy, you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must choose where you'll live for eternity."


"But I've already made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," replies Howard.

"I'm sorry ... but we have our rules," Peter interjects. And, with that, St. Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down ... all the way to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf course.

The sun is shining in a cloudless sky. The temperature is a perfect 22C degrees. In the distance is a beautiful club-house. Standing in front of it is Bob Menzies and thousands of other Liberals luminaries who had helped him out over the years --- Harold Holt, John Gorton, Bill McMahon, etc. The whole of the Liberal Party leaders were there everyone laughing, happy, and casually but expensively dressed

They run to greet him, to hug him and to reminisce about the good times

they had getting rich at the expense of 'suckers and peasants.' They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.


The Devil himself comes up to Howard with a frosty drink, "Have a tequila and relax, John!". "Uh, I can't drink anymore, I took a pledge," says Howard, dejectedly. "This is Hell, son. You can drink and eat all you want and not worry and it just gets better from there!"

Howard takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks is a really very friendly bloke who tells funny jokes like himself and pulls hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like the ones the Liberals pulled with the GST and the Free Trade Agreement promises.


They are having such a great time that, before he realises it, it's time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Howard steps on the elevator and heads upward.

When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and Saint Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven," the old man says, opening the gate.

So for 24 hours Howard is made to hang out with a bunch of honest, good-natured people who enjoy each other's company, talk about things other than money and treat each other decently. Not a nasty prank or short-arse joke among them.

No fancy country clubs here and, while the food tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor. He doesn't see anybody he knows and he isn't even treated like someone special!

"Whoa," he says uncomfortably to himself. "Bob Menzies never prepared me for this!". The day done, Saint Peter returns and says, "Well, you've spent a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for eternity."

With the 'Deal or No Deal' theme playing softly in the background,

Howard reflects for a minute ... then answers: "Well, I would never have thought I'd say this -- I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all -- but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends."

So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell.

The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial wasteland, kind of like the eroded, rabbit and fox affected Australian outback.

He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained together, picking up the roadside rubbish and putting it into black plastic bags.
They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and hands black with grime.

The Devil comes over to Howard and puts an arm around his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers a shocked John, "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a club-house and we ate lobster and caviar and drank tequila. We lazed around and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!"

The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly and purrs,

"Yesterday we were campaigning; today you voted for us!"



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