Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Turtle]

I have been watching the RNC the last 2 nights on PBS, and it is no DNC. Of course I suppose the Republicans will say it's because they were respecting the hurricane, but in truth McCain couldn't deliver an 80,000+ crowd if his life depended on it.

Palin & McCain's economics are Reagan's trickle-down economics; ah yes...the days of Iran-Contra and record deficits. I noticed no one is bragging on Nixon.

I think McCains 'maverick' angle as well as his temper are PTSD. People say he's a hero because he stayed behind at the Hanoi Hilton, but he really did it because doing otherwise he'd be criticized when he got home for not doing the military, honorable thing. It was no choice and it's not something that qualifies anyone for the presidency.

If you want to know how Obama leads, look at his last 2 years running a successful primary campaign.

Mind you I have voted both sides of the isle & down the middle, but I am old and it's time for the pendulum to swing the other way before I croak.

[jackson33]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Oops, seems Palin was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it:

But Palin was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.

from:Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

The Alaska Senator Ted Stevens 'Bridge to nowhere', would probably have had to be accepted by Palin, liked or not. She was representing Alaska as was Stevens and some cooperation would be expected.

Moon; I could have missed, but in three hearings of the speech I have not heard , nor have I heard any reports to 'god's will'...

Discussed is another subject and whats discussed in politics, to me resembles garbage from both or all sides. I don't believe Obama is currently Muslim, think his offered birth certificate is a fake or his three step mothers or 6-7 or 8 half siblings matter to his personal creditability. I do believe he a walking empty suit, incapable of decision and not a qualified person to run for, much less be the president of the US. IMO if anyone truly likes what Obama says they maybe should write in a vote for David Axlerod...

Turtle; Today, I will disagree that the 'Republican Ticket McCain/Palin' could not draw 80k or possibly draw a couple hundred thousand with a little help. In fact, if Rush Limbaugh really wanted to help his apparent 'Conservative' movement, his assistance alone would draw either and any place or anytime he and they could arrange this would fill any capacity. He drew that 80k to a 'Bake Sale'.

Reagan ran on reducing government, trickle down was for the tax breaks. He could not reduce spending, for what ever reason, actually increased government size. Simultaniously, even then McCain was opposed to excess spending and has been since.

Again, if you like the way Obama's campaign was run, write in Axlerod for president. I will admit it was masterfully run and taking down the Clinton Machine unexpected...but in the end it will have cost the Democratic Party an election many thought impossible. I also think 'coat tails' are now in play and Congress may be up for grabs.

I am no doubt older than you, expect also to croak soon, but this Palin choice and her acceptance by so many otherwise disgrunted American's leads me to believe the pendulum has just swung in the right direction.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by jackson33

The Alaska Senator Ted Stevens 'Bridge to nowhere', would probably have had to be accepted by Palin, liked or not. She was representing Alaska as was Stevens and some cooperation would be expected.

Moon; I could have missed, but in three hearings of the speech I have not heard , nor have I heard any reports to 'god's will'...

Discussed is another subject and whats discussed in politics, to me resembles garbage from both or all sides. I don't believe Obama is currently Muslim, think his offered birth certificate is a fake or his three step mothers or 6-7 or 8 half siblings matter to his personal creditability. I do believe he a walking empty suit, incapable of decision and not a qualified person to run for, much less be the president of the US. IMO if anyone truly likes what Obama says they maybe should write in a vote for David Axlerod...

Turtle; Today, I will disagree that the 'Republican Ticket McCain/Palin' could not draw 80k or possibly draw a couple hundred thousand with a little help. In fact, if Rush Limbaugh really wanted to help his apparent 'Conservative' movement, his assistance alone would draw either and any place or anytime he and they could arrange this would fill any capacity. He drew that 80k to a 'Bake Sale'.

Reagan ran on reducing government, trickle down was for the tax breaks. He could not reduce spending, for what ever reason, actually increased government size. Simultaniously, even then McCain was opposed to excess spending and has been since.

Again, if you like the way Obama's campaign was run, write in Axlerod for president. I will admit it was masterfully run and taking down the Clinton Machine unexpected...but in the end it will have cost the Democratic Party an election many thought impossible. I also think 'coat tails' are now in play and Congress may be up for grabs.

I am no doubt older than you, expect also to croak soon, but this Palin choice and her acceptance by so many otherwise disgrunted American's leads me to believe the pendulum has just swung in the right direction.

See post #10

[jackson33]

Just in; That 'just everyday hockey mom' from Alaska, three days into national politics, drew 37 Million households (according to Nielson's) just shy of Obama, the hype and 18 months of campaigning 38 Million...

[Thunderbird]

The fact is.... historically the country does better economically under a democratic president. look it up.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by jackson33

Just in; That 'just everyday hockey mom' from Alaska, three days into national politics, drew 37 Million households (according to Nielson's) just shy of Obama, the hype and 18 months of campaigning 38 Million...

Gee, I guess that means she's a better person? Or maybe it just means she is a better circus act?

Eat excrement, a Billion flies can't be wrong

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by jackson33

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Turtle; Today, I will disagree that the 'Republican Ticket McCain/Palin' could not draw 80k or possibly draw a couple hundred thousand with a little help. In fact, if Rush Limbaugh really wanted to help his apparent 'Conservative' movement, his assistance alone would draw either and any place or anytime he and they could arrange this would fill any capacity. He drew that 80k to a 'Bake Sale'.
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Again, if you like the way Obama's campaign was run, write in Axlerod for president. I will admit it was masterfully run and taking down the Clinton Machine unexpected...
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I am no doubt older than you, expect also to croak soon, but this Palin choice and her acceptance by so many otherwise disgrunted American's leads me to believe the pendulum has just swung in the right direction.

As to my age, you assume facts not in evidence. As to McCain's draw, assumes facts not in evidence. As to Axlerod, disengenuous strawman. As to masterfully run campaign by Barack, I couldn't agree more.

I keep hearing the R's clasify Obama as elitist, presumably because he went to Harvard. Never mind his background and how he got there, and never mind McCain's abysmal college education. I was curious and went hunting.

Originally Posted by blogger

I'm a strong Obama supporter, but I do know that McCain is an Academy grad, Annapolis to be specific. In the navy, you have to be an officer to be a pilot and in the navy you have to have a college education to be an officer. So McCain needed a college degree to do what he did in the navy.

He graduated from Annapolis in 1958. He was ranked 894th out of 899 midshipmen(classmates) but it was mostly due to disciplinary reasons as his academic record was above average. ...

Does John McCain have a college education? - Yahoo! Answers

I think it was Fred Thompson last night that bragged on Mcain and his dad's terrible record of infractions in the Naval Academy. Uhhhh...that's leadership quality huh?

Up to 4 cents now.

[Turtle]

Some more from my change jar.

The loudest and oft-heard huzzah during the 4 1/2 hours I watched the RNC last night was "Drill Baby Drill!" That fights big oil how exactly? Solves our fuel problems when & for how long exactly? The Mcain energy policy sucks...oil we don't have and money out of our pockets that we can't afford.

The smoking light is on.

[Turtle]

Speaking of candidates and college education, looks like Palin is gonna face some tough questions on hers. She attended 5 different schools over 6 years before getting a degree. Seems her vetters didn't bother to even check. Can't copy from this link for a quote, but here's the news: >> Politics News - VP hopeful Palin attended 5 colleges in 6 years

[Thunderbird]

from Moveon .org

Talking Points
Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"

Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.4

Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade." 5

Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP. 6

Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.

Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.

As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."