Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by questor

News Flash for Obama lovers/ Bush bashers ! Get a dose of reality. You're so busy blaming Bush for all the world's ills, you forget to criticise your own legislative body the US Congress, that has been under liberal control since 2006. What problems have they solved? If they have an answer to the economic recesssion, why haven't they proposed it? If they have a better way to fight global terrorism, why haven't they proposed it? If they have an answer to the failing educational system, why haven't they solved it? After all, the NEA is an arm of the Democrat party. If Obama is elected , we will get a double dose of inflation, uncontrolled spending, and higher taxes. Where has there been any wisdom or fiscal responsibility shown by Harry Byrd, Jack Murtha, Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi? Bush didn't propose all this pork, he was just stupid enough to let it pass without veto. Whe have the Dem's ever shown good money management and fiscal restraint? Blaming Repubs is easy to do, but you forget that congress is the body that proposes bills. Look at your own party, welfare, entitlements, pork projects, overspending on underachieving schools, failure to deal with social security reform. Do you think Obama and his team will solve these problems? For the studious, read these links:
Government Waste on Parade

You expect them to fix six years of lies, stupidity and Bush spending like a drunken sailor in two years? The mess Bush, the Neocons, and Haliburton have made will take decades to fix. get real, two years isn't enough time to fix anything as messed up as the cluster f@#K the neocons and the Bush administration has left us?

[Galapagos]

via Afarensis

[questor]

Why do you think Clinton had a surplus? Was it due to his economic policies? No. Was it due to his fiscal expertise? NO. It occurred because of the great profits from the tech boom. His whole legacy reduces to the Lewinsky affair. He was a good BS'er, but a mediocre president and a poor role model
If the cons screwed up so badly, why didn't the lib congress try to reverse things in the last two years? How long do they wait to get started? Can you name any problems they have tried to correct? Can you speak to their basic philosophy of government? It seems all they have done is criticise. That's easy, it's tougher when you actually try to DO something. What are they going to do to fix what the Repubs broke?

[Thunderbird]

questor, if you would actually listing to the democrats you would know that they have been telling you to solve these problem by getting involved. We should find something positive to do on the community level. That's the way to change things for the better.

That is the real core strength of the democatic party. that's the rout Oboma took to go into politics, that's the route Carter took after.
To me this a safe way to vote. What do you do to help you're fellow man?

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by questor

News Flash for Obama lovers/ Bush bashers ! Get a dose of reality. You're so busy blaming Bush for all the world's ills, you forget to criticise your own legislative body the US Congress, that has been under liberal control since 2006. What problems have they solved? If they have an answer to the economic recesssion, why haven't they proposed it? If they have a better way to fight global terrorism, why haven't they proposed it? If they have an answer to the failing educational system, why haven't they solved it? After all, the NEA is an arm of the Democrat party. If Obama is elected , we will get a double dose of inflation, uncontrolled spending, and higher taxes. Where has there been any wisdom or fiscal responsibility shown by Harry Byrd, Jack Murtha, Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi? Bush didn't propose all this pork, he was just stupid enough to let it pass without veto. Whe have the Dem's ever shown good money management and fiscal restraint? Blaming Repubs is easy to do, but you forget that congress is the body that proposes bills. Look at your own party, welfare, entitlements, pork projects, overspending on underachieving schools, failure to deal with social security reform. Do you think Obama and his team will solve these problems? For the studious, read these links:
Government Waste on Parade

I think everyone should read what questor has linked. looks like the top pork barrel states are infact the repulbican dominated states 2-1 ratio. Alaska being no. #1.

[questor]

I admire Carter for his work with Habitat, although I think giving someone something without them doing something in return is a losing proposition. He would do better teaching birth control. The houses will crumble and the problem will still be there.
You say we should do something in the community. I do.. I pay my taxes, I keep my house and property in very good shape and I take full responsibility for myself and my family. I do not trash the streets or drive too fast. I obey the laws and I treat others with respect as long as they deserve it. I worked my way through graduate school and I read quite a bit. I do not look for handouts or special favors from the government and I have respect for the concept of personal property. I believe that everyone should appreciate and participate in improving every facet of our society. I am convinced that each person should do everthing he can to become the best he can be and our society needs to do the same thing. This is what I do and who I am, you can judge for yourself whether this is good or bad or if society would prosper if everyone had this philosophy.

[questor]

I don't defend Repubs when they are wrong. Am I to assume that you think the Dems don't have top dog porkers like Byrd and Murtha? Do you think it is just the Repubs? Do you think it's permissable because of party affiliation?

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by questor

I admire Carter for his work with Habitat, although I think giving someone something without them doing something in return is a losing proposition. He would do better teaching birth control. The houses will crumble and the problem will still be there.
You say we should do something in the community. I do.. I pay my taxes, I keep my house and property in very good shape and I take full responsibility for myself and my family. I do not trash the streets or drive too fast. I obey the laws and I treat others with respect as long as they deserve it. I worked my way through graduate school and I read quite a bit. I do not look for handouts or special favors from the government and I have respect for the concept of personal property. I believe that everyone should appreciate and participate in improving every facet of our society. I am convinced that each person should do everthing he can to become the best he can be and our society needs to do the same thing. This is what I do and who I am, you can judge for yourself whether this is good or bad or if society would prosper if everyone had this philosophy.

What if you did need help ? Would obvious pride in yourself allow you to ask for it? Would you not deserve respect if you're job was sent over seas.

If you were not born into a family that allowed for an education, but only back breaking work that barely paid the bills.

Born into a family were you were abused or neglected because you come from an economically impoverished area that had few community services.
What do you think leads to poverty ? Sustains poverty.?

You seem to have a lot to say about the poor . Where do you attain this “knowing “ what books do read that explain poverty, origins of it, solutions to it ? How many have gotten out of it? What programs worked. What ones haven’t ?

You are not expressing knowledge here only fear and hate born from the illusion that you belong to higher class. If you had read anything on this subject of poverty you would realize this is the source of poverty around the world. The idea of a class system, some people matter and some don’t, the rich deserve more the poor less.. A marginalizing of people in society. This is what Pallin and you are talking about and it is the root cause of poverty. This is not an opinion but a fact drawn from academics that study the cause and effects of poverty in any society.

Do not ask for who the bell tolls , it tolls for the.

I want to tell one more thing, Do you want to find out about the poor go talk to someone that works in the field of finding work for poor people.

They will educate you about Americans, and how they will time and time again pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they are only given a chance. Pallin and her ilk will do like they have always done . Kick the latter out from under the poorest, so they can help the rich. Then you and your ilk can have some one to feel superior to. Go mow you lawn and survey your kingdom and be a proud American.

[jackson33]

Thunderbird, are you suggesting questor is somehow wrong in a display of self reliance approach to life. Do you realize that most people throughout history had no place to go for help, much less putting food on the table...

Born into poverty...There is no one born into poverty in this country and far fewer born into wealth than you may think. Most of those people your placing into some mold, have worked hard to improve their status, educate their children, keep that food on the table and know they have done well. Poverty is staying alive, no place to get food, shelter or help for anything. Billions live that life style around the world and there is no hope. They die on average in their 40's, not able to read, write, ever attend a school or have laws to protect the basic rights every American has, once born.

Where does this family exist that a child is born and not allowed to go to school or once there told of limitation he/she will experience. Education today, can be self taught and test taken to equate that learning to gain access to any level of education, in turn to success. Teach and preach the positive, not the negative. Tell the kids the truth, hard work and a desire to achieve even the unachievable is possible. Don't pamper the quitters, free loaders or encourage the law breakers by gratuitous handouts to keep under control. These people in 'in the fields' are social workers, there jobs dependent on for survival of their own jobs. They don't want the truth known and in some cases do not care. May be a little less sympathy for errors in judgment like attending school, not doing drugs or getting pregnant at 13-17 would set examples, not perpetuate them...

Factually IMO this is exactly what happened to Obama, maybe from his grand parents. His Dad was not some shinning example, nor was his mother. Did he climb out of that death trap you portray for 'the POOR'...Palin, is what every American woman should be proud of and I guarantee to every older woman in this country is. Strong women are not that common, but all women are strong in ways most never understand. She displays both, best I can tell and will make Americans proud. Sorry if this offends you, but Hillary Clinton is much the same and women are just as proud of her, as are most Americans whether or not they agree with her politics.

[Moontanman]

Earlier today I replied to yet another Republican e-mail that suggested that I wasn't a real American because I didn't agree to pass on yet another e-mail insulting anyone who might consider voting for Obama. Here is the intelligent, uplifting message I got in return....

Hello, All knowing Slavish Democrat,
I only hope that OBAMA'S, many promised new changes?? will not be, the closure of all Christian church's, the complete stifling of all other religions replaced with Islams all compelling decrees. Your female relatives all be sold to an Arabian. Islamic sheik. The Sharia law code in place of the Roman Law one, a Mosque wherein you will worship Allah five times every day,..... or else be beaten with a baseball bat until you are rendered senseless. If you refuse to follow Mohammeds oran book enbracing Allah as your god exactly (The retraction of that oath in any way is instant painful death) then you will be summarily beheaded. That is the punishment for not Following the religion of Mohammed.
A mosque on every corner so you will not have far to travel so as to grovel on the floor facing Mecca while kissing your prayer rug.
Your wife will wear a black abaya or a burka on her body, when ever she is out of your own home.The temperature out side not withstanding, hot or cold is not considered.. Nothing to be seen except her eyes so she will not be insulted those who do not follow this commandment or even drive a car, without a male member of her family present; The punishment for being a normal female citizen citizen of this new world is that she will be arrested by the religious, Mutwha police, raped as an infidel, whorish woman, tortured to death in some dank dark prison. In reality it gets much worse than that.
Are these the great changes That are so offered by our presidential candidate who has even said, In public, "God Damn the United States" as it is to him an illegal entity..
I also listen to the many speeches and this is what I get from all of Mr. Obama,s speeches many.. Is he the promised anticChrist? I am close to believing just that.
The great all controllingg Universal Sultan . This the position he seems to be working for that with the idea that he is the promised Western Great Grand Visor with the re-incarnation of Iran's Mahdi as his very evil promised Messiah
Is OBAMA's mission to. restore the ancient promise of no more slavery for All Black African people, when he should know all too well that the Arabic Islamic word for any African black person is nothing more than,"SLAVE" ever since the Koran WAS WRITTEN....P.W. )O(