Conservative intuition: ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity

[modest]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

I do have a few conservative friends they all follow the typical creationist...

I live in Kansas. You can't throw a brick 'round these parts without hitting a creationist on the head

Oops, one heard me say that... here he comes... with a pitchfork... gotta go...

~modest

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by modest

I live in Kansas. You can't throw a brick 'round these parts without hitting a creationist on the head

Oops, one heard me say that... here he comes... with a pitchfork... gotta go...

~modest

Yeah, I carry a few brick bats around with me just in case my pistol runs out of rounds before I get them all!

[questor]

What exactly is creationism? Do these people believe the universe was created 10,000 years ago or that man was created 10, 000 years ago? You people must associate with some very stupid people. On the other hand, I believe the universe was created by some force about 14.5 billion years ago, what does that make me?

[modest]

Originally Posted by questor

What exactly is creationism?

Well, obviously there's no date placed on creationism - even in Christianity. It is what it is... a belief that things were created by a creator.

Originally Posted by questor

Do these people believe the universe was created 10,000 years ago or that man was created 10, 000 years ago?

No - it was 6 thousand years ago. I was raised in an independent baptist church, which is a bit more liberal than your average southern baptist. And, I can attest to the fact that they do indeed claim the bible is factually correct and the bible is very clear with its dates.

Have you ever asked yourself what all this opposition to evolution is? Why would three Republican candidates raise their hand in a debate signifying they did not believe in evolution? I understand this is not your point of view, by many of my neighbors would disagree with you on these points. They would tell you dinosaurs lived alongside people and Noah's flood made the fossils we find today.

I'm not saying this is a common belief, only that I have found it common.

Originally Posted by questor

You people must associate with some very stupid people.

Well, that's not very nice. Clearly these are people capable of doing very well for themselves - and they're very kind and amiable people as well. Saying they are all stupid is doing a disservice to them and the problem they are faced with. They are misguided. There are powerful institutions and disingenuous people who are motivated to propagate this falsehood. Is the republican party one of these institutions?... It's a fair question.

~modest

[questor]

Modest, do you have high schools, libraries and TV in the area you're talking
about? I thought most country folk are democrats. Who were the candidates that didn't believe in evolution?
Ignorance.. being unaware of
Stupidity.. being aware, but lacking the ability to understand
Perhaps I should have used the word ignorant?
You said:
'' There are powerful institutions and disingenuous people who are motivated to propagate this falsehood. Is the republican party one of these institutions?... It's a fair question.'' You live in a different world from me. Where did you get an idea like this? Can you back up this statement with facts?

[modest]

Originally Posted by questor

Modest, do you have high schools, libraries and TV in the area you're talking about?

I live in the suburb of a rather large city.

Originally Posted by questor

I thought most country folk are democrats.

That's not the common view.

Originally Posted by questor

Who were the candidates that didn't believe in evolution?

I don't know which candidates believed what... but I can tell you the three that raised their hand in answer of the question "Who does not believe in evolution":

• Mike Huckabee
• Senator Sam Brownback (of.. you guessed it... Kansas)
• and Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado

Originally Posted by questor

You live in a different world from me. Where did you get an idea like this? Can you back up this statement with facts?

-source

In 2008 44% of Americans polled responded that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so" You may call these people stupid questor, but what does it say that you fail to acknowledge they exist?

Are these people mostly Republican? Yes:


-source

I don't know what's left to be said on the subject of your objection.

~modest

[Eclogite]

It seems we may be about to establish that Questor is a liberal - he just doesn't know it yet.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

It seems we may be about to establish that Questor is a liberal - he just doesn't know it yet.

Yeah , it's time to come out of the closet Questor

[HydrogenBond]

Conservative, by definition, implies conserving the best of the past. Liberal is more progressive but often sails into unchartered waters with little field testing in terms of consequences. Once the liberals find something that stands the test of time, conservatives integrate it. But in the short term the conservatives resist due to the duds that go along with the successes.

As a good example, during the John Kennedy years, the democratic party looked similar to the modern republican party. The conservatives of that time were even further tied to the past. But in the same token, everything that was tried by the liberals was not beneficial. Conservative tries to retain what works and avoids following every new fad until the good ones have proven to be of social value. Conservative added the best but doesn't just follow change for the sake of change, like seasonal fashions.

Relative to Creationism, although this is in conflict with science and even common sense, the tendency to support it based on what it represents. Liberal is trying to remove religion, willing to throw out the baby with the bath water. The bigger picture is seen as an attempt to plant a virus which can also affect healthy tissue. The backlash is an immune response so the virus doesn't affect the healthy parts. It amounts to leaving the wound in tack to avoid the consequences of a new liberal fad. If it works out then it will be integrated.

The same conservative affect occurs in science. For example, the earth's iron core has never been sampled for verification. We assume iron based on faith in circumstantial evidence which is built upon the assumption and not the other way around. But science can't admit the truth of its lack of direct proof or else it could act as a virus that could have an impact on the solid science. So there is a dogmatic reaction. The average person assumes 100% certainty based on the way it is presented and pitched. Conservative science can't blink or the virus might attach.

Even rational people, like scientists, can be conservative and are not willing to budge until the liberal change is able to show strong field testing. It is willing to suspend reason but will change if the alternative is progressive. It will even avoid placing the lack of sample disclaimer in text books because this truth is dangerous. This is natural conservative. It teaches sort of a human creationism version of earth reality, avoiding logic and common sense because it could affect the circumstantial mythology. Science is also conservative and liberal, with the conservative expecting solid verification before it changes it direction.

Evolution may work but it is empirical and not deduced with logic and reason. Empirical allows anything including conflicting points of view. If evolution could evolve to logic and could deduce the future a=B , b=c and therefore a=c, then conservative religion would concede the point.

[Southtown]

Originally Posted by Galapagos

Edge: WHAT MAKES PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN? By Jonathan Haidt

When discussing politics, let's refrain from talking issues please, and just stick to the same-old partisanship.

By the way, Yashua said, "Any kingdom divided against itself will not stand." I guess time will tell.