Problems with Palin

[Theory5]

I hope that Obama wins but I read something about Paulin which firmly supports my belief that Obama should be elected.
-She tried to ban books in her town, and when the librarian refused to help her, the librarian nearly lost her job.
-Mcain is a war veteran and has always put country first. Paulin put herself before anyone else.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

[Nitack]

The fact that she even suggests that Intelligent design should be taught in schools is enough to black list her for me. If she suggests it while running for election in alaska what the hell will happen when she gets in power?

I was firmly going to vote for McCain before he selected her. Now... well I just don't know.

Choice 1: Obama and a war on economics. A candidate who doesn't understand the fundamental truth that you can not tax your way into a better economy and more jobs, you can only hurt the economy and cost people jobs.

Choice 2: Palin and a war on science. Lets face it, odds are McCain will die in office or at least reach a severe level of age related disability, Alzheimer anyone? Even if he survives four or eight years, Palin would be the next in line on the republican ticket. I want to keep her as far away from running this country as possible.

[buddyzen]

ban books in her own town tisk tisk...... this should definitely turn oil hungry republicans around , at least i hope so. for the last couple years we have had the most dumbest candidates/presidents

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by Theory5

I hope that Obama wins but I read something about Paulin which firmly supports my belief that Obama should be elected.
-She tried to ban books in her town, and when the librarian refused to help her, the librarian nearly lost her job.
-Mcain is a war veteran and has always put country first. Paulin put herself before anyone else.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

Curious about the source of this rumor.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Curious about the source of this rumor.

The fact that a person in power would even consider banning books, let alone asking about how to go about doing so, poses a pretty fundamental (pun intended) problem for anybody with academic integrity.



Palin asked Wasilla librarian about censoring books - BostonHerald.com

"Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.
According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go.

Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.

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In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

Emmons told the Frontiersman she flatly refused to consider any kind of censorship.

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When the matter came up for the second time in October 1996, during a City Council meeting, Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla housewife who often attends council meetings, was there.

Like many Alaskans, Kilkenny calls the governor by her first name.

"Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?" Kilkenny said.

"I was shocked. Mary Ellen sat up straight and said something along the line of, 'The books in the Wasilla Library collection were selected on the basis of national selection criteria for libraries of this size, and I would absolutely resist all efforts to ban books.'"

Palin didn't mention specific books at that meeting, Kilkenny said.

Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article.

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Books may not have been pulled from library shelves, but there were other repercussions for Emmons.

Four days before the exchange at the City Council, Emmons got a letter from Palin asking for her resignation. Similar letters went to police chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton and finance director Duane Dvorak. John Cooper, a fifth director, resigned after Palin eliminated his job overseeing the city museum.

Palin told the Daily News back then the letters were just a test of loyalty as she took on the mayor's job, which she'd won from three-term mayor John Stein in a hard-fought election. Stein had hired many of the department heads. Both Emmons and Stambaugh had publicly supported him against Palin."

Btw - It's spelled "Palin" and a mod should fix the thread title.

[Buffy]

A bit of the story behind the story from CBS News:

Originally Posted by Steve Benen, CBS News 9/11/2008

Palin was elected mayor thanks in large part to the strong backing of her church, the Wasilla Assembly of God, which, right around the time Palin took office, "began to focus on certain books available in local stores and in the town library, including one called 'Go Ask Alice,' and another one written by a local pastor, Howard Bess, called 'Pastor, I am Gay.'"

When I asked her yesterday after school, my 13-year-old daughter knew exactly what the Bush Doctrine is. Maybe she's better qualified to be one heartbeat away from the most important job in the world!

YouTube - Palin seems unaware of 'Bush doctrine'

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran,
Buffy

[Nitack]

Welcome to the police state. Please pick up your "Hail Sarah" arm band and prepare to look happy while posing for pictures.

[jackson33]

Originally Posted by Theory5

I hope that Obama wins but I read something about Paulin which firmly supports my belief that Obama should be elected.
-She tried to ban books in her town, and when the librarian refused to help her, the librarian nearly lost her job.
-Mcain is a war veteran and has always put country first. Paulin put herself before anyone else.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

*Factcheck.org* or in this case a google of Factcheck+Palin, will get you some more realistic, non partisan comments on rumors begun over various web-sites. On the Books for instance, many said she wanted ban, had not been released, while she was there.

If you believe, putting country first (I agree with) seemingly to echo McCain's advantage over Obama, why are you hoping Obama will win. Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.

To the rest of you; The people in the US are basically a religious bunch, most want the BIBLE taught, do so in there homes and attend church regularly. Children are already preached to daily in religious schools, private or Home schooling. Public schools, if they want Federal Grants cannot teach any one religion and thats all there is to it. Personal opinions, to my knowledge are not against any law....

Palin, has the identical resume as Teddy Roosevelt, when he first ran and won the Presidency. Young, mayor of a town 2 years and little foreign policy.
Palin is running for VP, not the President. She will have plenty of time to learn whatever any person believes a weakness. Since no person is versed in ALL the thousands of issues every President is involved with, one principle I base a candidacy on is WHO they know, people they associate or have associated with and would likely take the many advisory jobs available. McCain knows these people, has a 26 year track record and draw the people with expertise, in all field of government.

McCain, yes has had medical problems and not all melanoma, but there is no acceptable reason, he could not serve out four or possibly eight years. He could die next week or at 105 yo, with total mental faculties. So could Obama or Palin or any person...

Nitack; I frankly don't understand your logic. You feel McCain will die or lose mental capacity, but would have voted for him if he had picked another person for VP. Factually since Palin was the pick, McCain now has a probability of becoming President and you will not vote for him...

No one can predict the future for Palin, at this point, but its no secret the Country is ready other than an old white guy (sorry, no other way to say).
If Palin, under a guidance I feel she will receive, she will not only be in National Politics for years to come, but lead that party.

[Theory5]

Thanks InfiniteNow I forgot where I read that.

In My Opinon this woman clearly should not be near any position of power.
IN MY OPINON having religion take over your life and your religion's views become your own and obstructs reason and logic you cease to become an intellegent being. You dont think for yourself and if you do think then that thinking is clouded and muddled and usually involves accusing someone of witchcraft. Thus the logical solution (you think of) is to accuse a scientific process of going against gods will and burning something wether it be books or people.
Zealots, fanatics, (george bush), and anyone else whos idea of religion exculdes logic do not belong in office Because the Presedency of the United States involves atleast SOME logic and reason (despite what George Bush has shown us)
(once again this is MY OPINION and I am not trying to insult anyone or any religiously oriented mass mind)


I also think it is our constitutional right to be uncensored. If our government censors anything it brings us one step closer to being a police "state"

[Nitack]

Originally Posted by jackson33

*Factcheck.org* or in this case a google of Factcheck+Palin, will get you some more realistic, non partisan comments on rumors begun over various web-sites. On the Books for instance, many said she wanted ban, had not been released, while she was there.

Originally Posted by jackson33

If you believe, putting country first (I agree with) seemingly to echo McCain's advantage over Obama, why are you hoping Obama will win. Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.

Given the very real possibility of McCain not making it through his term, you have to consider what kind of President Palin would be.

Originally Posted by jackson33

To the rest of you; The people in the US are basically a religious bunch, most want the BIBLE taught, do so in there homes and attend church regularly. Children are already preached to daily in religious schools, private or Home schooling. Public schools, if they want Federal Grants cannot teach any one religion and thats all there is to it. Personal opinions, to my knowledge are not against any law....

Excuse you? Some in the US are a religious bunch. Not only that, but we have quite a variety of religions practiced, not just Christianity. Quite a lot of us object to the government pushing ideas based in religious beliefs (abstinence only, intelligent design). Rather than speaking for all of us how about you actually put some numbers on it, and then break it down to practicing and non-practicing too. There are quite a lot who are not practicing. Personally, I object to you saying that we are a religious bunch in general. I am part of the US bunch and don't believe in archaic religions.

Originally Posted by jackson33

Palin, has the identical resume as Teddy Roosevelt, when he first ran and won the Presidency. Young, mayor of a town 2 years and little foreign policy.
Palin is running for VP, not the President. She will have plenty of time to learn whatever any person believes a weakness. Since no person is versed in ALL the thousands of issues every President is involved with, one principle I base a candidacy on is WHO they know, people they associate or have associated with and would likely take the many advisory jobs available. McCain knows these people, has a 26 year track record and draw the people with expertise, in all field of government.

William Henry Harrison
Is she ready on day 1? How about day 31?

Originally Posted by jackson33

McCain, yes has had medical problems and not all melanoma, but there is no acceptable reason, he could not serve out four or possibly eight years. He could die next week or at 105 yo, with total mental faculties. So could Obama or Palin or any person...

I am too lazy to look it up, but you are committing at least one logical fallacy here. Given McCain's age, his probability of dying in the next four years is much higher than Obama or Palin. To compare them as if all having an equal chance is rubbish.

Originally Posted by jackson33

Nitack; I frankly don't understand your logic. You feel McCain will die or lose mental capacity, but would have voted for him if he had picked another person for VP. Factually since Palin was the pick, McCain now has a probability of becoming President and you will not vote for him...

Before this election McCain's main shtick was killing pork barrel spending. He was always much more moderate on social issues than other republicans. Palin has purely draconian views, and I have no interest in having another GWB round of suppressing science, pushing individual religious beliefs on the rest of the population, and trying to impose individual morality on the rest of the population. Foreign aid contingent on abstention only policies, purposely spreading misinformation. Nope, I could have stomached almost anyone else, but a pure ideologue is too much risk.

Originally Posted by jackson33

No one can predict the future for Palin, at this point, but its no secret the Country is ready other than an old white guy (sorry, no other way to say).
If Palin, under a guidance I feel she will receive, she will not only be in National Politics for years to come, but lead that party.

Pffft. She is going to get sent back to Alaska with her tail tucked between her legs and become an election footnote a la Geraldine Ferraro. Doesn't matter who I want to win, Obama is going to crush this election. In my state of Virginia, McCain is spending boat loads of money just to try to hold on to what should be a safe state for him. That diverts tons of funds that he needs for battleground states.